Subject: alexander_summer2001 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:24:38 +0200 From: "J. J. Popovic" To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com -- -------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +393283322970 fax: +390668410315 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: hello from australia Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:05:43 +0000 From: "rob bazzar" To: cddigest@1stmuse.com Hi my name is robert and im studying Alexander the great at the moment I was just wondering if you could possibly tell me some info on the great man himself. the things i was wondering about was -what was it like for alexander and the men the evening before the battle? -what was it like at the end of the battle with alexander in darius' war tent? -what was the soldiers' attitude towards alexander? This is of corse to do with the battle of Issus.... If you can help me at all i would be most appreciative, Thanks alot! Robert Barron ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:30:02 +0300 From: "Christina Hatzi" To: Dear Mr Popovic, your site is really great. But I have just one thing to tell you: the eyes of Alexander the Great were both blue! Please remember that! Thank you. Christine Hatzis, Greece. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander the Great Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:40:42 +0200 From: "Jan van Dijk (ETM)" To: "'jpopovic@1stmuse.com'" Dear Mr. Popovic, Approximately a year ago I wrote you to inform me on the subject of the CD-ROM about Alexander the Great. You told me that you were working on the DVD-edition, but did not know when it would be released. Can you give any information about the release of the CD-ROM and/or the DVD. Thank you for your quick reply. Greetings from, > Jan van Dijk KPN Desk & F.O. > NETWORK ROLL OUT & INTEGRATION > SWITCHING FIXED ETM BL/OS > Kamer : 20.1057 > Telefoon : 9867 > > > Ericsson Telecommunicatie B.V. > P.O. Box 8, 5120 AA Rijen > The Netherlands > > Tel.+31-161-249867 Fax. +31-161-249094 > E-Mail: Jan.van.Dijk@etm.ericsson.se, Homepage: http://www.ericsson.se > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander. Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:32:41 -0700 From: "Dewey Maggard" To: Thank you for the wonderful work you have done on the Macedon, Alxeander the Great. I will be visiting the site again and again- much to digest. I have some of the Tetra-drachms of his issue. I have been told that Selucius, his General had a fetish over anchors and in fact he did issue coins with anchors on them. I have at least two of these. However, the story goes that Selekos had an anchor birthmark on his left or right thigh- which accounted for his reason to place anchors on his coins. I would be most appreciative if I had the direct source of this information. Have you in your studies learned of this fetish? Thanks again for a most pleasurable experience on your site- Fantastic. Sincerely Dewey Maggard Please take a look at my sites. http://deweymag0.tripod.com/deweyscoinsandarticles Hobby relatied articles of Adventures in coin collecting http://www.thevision.net/deweymag/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Artist's rendering? Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:06:55 -0500 From: Robert Nash To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com You used to have an artist's color rendering of a young Alexander the Great on your site. However it seems to be gone now. Can you tell me the source of that rendering? Thanks. Robert robert-nash@excite.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander project Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:56:36 EDT From: HOSSEUS@aol.com To: cddigest@1stmuse.com Outstanding site! I've been interested in Alexander since I was a child. He's never ceased to intrigue. Do you think the tomb (and mummy) of Alexander will ever be found? Paul Hosse Hosseus@aol.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:48:32 +0100 From: "postbox" To: Dear John Jan Afraid it is going to be easier if you e-mail me the text after all. Having a bit of difficulty downloading etc. So yes please, when you have time, send me the text. Kind regards Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 18 August 2001 10:44 Subject: Re: Alexander Dear Martin, Thanks again. John Jan On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:06:04 +0100 "Health Service Accreditations" wrote: > Dear Jan > Will do. It may take a little while but I will do it. > Best wishes, > Martin Savage > > p.s. in due course I would like to discuss with you my plans for Siwa, and > get your views. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JJP > To: postbox > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:40 PM > Subject: Alexander > > > > Dear Martin, > > Thank you for Your kind message, and your proof reading. > > I will insert Your name in "credits" chapter. > > It you have problems with downloading of the pages, I can e-mail it. > > Thank You. > > Regards > > John Jan popovic > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: postbox > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:51 AM > > > > > > > Dear John, > > > Thank you. Unfortunately the xhibition organisers' web site is rather > > > uncommunicative! So I will forget that for the time being. > Regarding 1st > > > muse, if you care to e-mail me the text I can edit it for you. > > Alternatively > > > I guess I could try to download it and then edit it and email it to > you.. > > As > > > you prefer. But before you let a complete stranger loose on your > text I > > > expect you would like to know who you are dealing with? I am a > former UK > > > public servant who worked abroad with the British Council and then for > the > > > National Health Service. I took early retirement in 1999 and among my > > active > > > interests are developments in Siwa, Egypt. This led me to > Alexander, and > > my > > > intention to establish a memorial and exhibition to him there - an > > > appropriate location given that it "hosted" such a pivotal point > in his > > > life! I attach a photo of myself sitting on Jebel Mowta, Siwa, > with the > > > acropolis of the Oracle in the distance. > > > Martin Savage > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:06:04 +0100 From: "Health Service Accreditations" To: "JJP" Dear Jan Will do. It may take a little while but I will do it. Best wishes, Martin Savage p.s. in due course I would like to discuss with you my plans for Siwa, and get your views. ----- Original Message ----- From: JJP To: postbox Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Alexander > Dear Martin, > Thank you for Your kind message, and your proof reading. > I will insert Your name in "credits" chapter. > It you have problems with downloading of the pages, I can e-mail it. > Thank You. > Regards > John Jan popovic > ----- Original Message ----- > From: postbox > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:51 AM > > > > Dear John, > > Thank you. Unfortunately the xhibition organisers' web site is rather > > uncommunicative! So I will forget that for the time being. Regarding 1st > > muse, if you care to e-mail me the text I can edit it for you. > Alternatively > > I guess I could try to download it and then edit it and email it to you.. > As > > you prefer. But before you let a complete stranger loose on your text I > > expect you would like to know who you are dealing with? I am a former UK > > public servant who worked abroad with the British Council and then for the > > National Health Service. I took early retirement in 1999 and among my > active > > interests are developments in Siwa, Egypt. This led me to Alexander, and > my > > intention to establish a memorial and exhibition to him there - an > > appropriate location given that it "hosted" such a pivotal point in his > > life! I attach a photo of myself sitting on Jebel Mowta, Siwa, with the > > acropolis of the Oracle in the distance. > > Martin Savage > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Great information Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:09:17 EDT From: Natandchellesmom@aol.com To: cddigest@1stmuse.com I'm writing a paper for my History Western Civilization class and have chosen Alexander as my subject. Great site. Good information. 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Pascoe All rights reserved] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 01:51:57 +0100 From: "postbox" To: Dear John, Thank you. Unfortunately the xhibition organisers' web site is rather uncommunicative! So I will forget that for the time being. Regarding 1st muse, if you care to e-mail me the text I can edit it for you. Alternatively I guess I could try to download it and then edit it and email it to you.. As you prefer. But before you let a complete stranger loose on your text I expect you would like to know who you are dealing with? I am a former UK public servant who worked abroad with the British Council and then for the National Health Service. I took early retirement in 1999 and among my active interests are developments in Siwa, Egypt. This led me to Alexander, and my intention to establish a memorial and exhibition to him there - an appropriate location given that it "hosted" such a pivotal point in his life! I attach a photo of myself sitting on Jebel Mowta, Siwa, with the acropolis of the Oracle in the distance. Martin Savage --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Pict0004.jpg Pict0004.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) Encoding: base64 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Re: Alexander and his Greek relations Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:44:13 -0000 From: "Konstantinos Haikalis" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@yahoogroups.com To: alexander-macedon@yahoogroups.com --- In alexander-macedon@y..., "paolo araya" wrote: > I just read a book were the authors describes all Greek history, and > finally, he ends the book by saying that Alexander was really not a Greek, > because of his lack of interest on his land. He never thought on getting > back home and was much more interested on thinking that he was Ammon's son, > and later, becoming the Persian's king. In fact, the author describes him as > a crazy little boy who was too much influenced by crazy ideas, who > eventually killed his brothers and many of his most related friends and > advisers. > > I like him very much, but I would like to see what do you people think about > this. > ______________________________________________________________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/gSwxlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Re: Alexander and his Greek relations Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:43:52 -0000 From: "Konstantinos Haikalis" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@yahoogroups.com To: alexander-macedon@yahoogroups.com --- In alexander-macedon@y..., "paolo araya" wrote: > I just read a book were the authors describes all Greek history, and > finally, he ends the book by saying that Alexander was really not a Greek, > because of his lack of interest on his land. He never thought on getting > back home and was much more interested on thinking that he was Ammon's son, > and later, becoming the Persian's king. In fact, the author describes him as > a crazy little boy who was too much influenced by crazy ideas, who > eventually killed his brothers and many of his most related friends and > advisers. > > I like him very much, but I would like to see what do you people think about > this. > ______________________________________________________________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/gSwxlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: alexander the great king of the kings Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:59:45 +0200 From: "paul katinis" To: CC: dear john popovic all the religions are waiting the same and unique messiah rama krishna ramses 2 moses solomon zarathustra bouddha alexander le grand tchin tseu houang ti christos mouhamad and genghis khan were the incarnations of the same being : the logos of God president mitterrand was secretly working for his avent a site speaks about all of that http://perso.nnx.com/ianaywon please help us to make it know to all the wordl sincerly yours --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:17:17 +1000 From: "peter voudouris" To: Mr..popovic we now were you came from, and you wish to be a throw MAKEDONIAN but it tuff you have to tell the truth first here same coins from all over the wold ,thankyou John. Name: gr.7.jpg gr.7.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) Encoding: base64 Name: gr.coins 3.bmp gr.coins 3.bmp Type: Immagine bitmap (image/bmp) Encoding: base64 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: calendar Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:19:47 -0700 From: jpopovic To: Barb Hi, Macedonian calendar is not Gregorian (actual), and the birthday of Alexander the Great was 23. VII. 356 BC. Regards John Barb ha scritto: > Curious as to where you got the month of Alexander's birth as July. I have > read that it was the first week of August. And even on your site? You say > late July in one place and the sixth of the month(August I assume) in > another. B*T*W, I love your site! I saw the Alexander the Great exhibit > twice when it was in my area...and presented a report on him my sophomore > year in college. That was some time ago and yet? The interest is still > there. I had almost hoped they had found his tomb...but? If they had, they > would have desecrated him, so perhaps it is best theydo not. I have a copy > of Mary Renault's book ,'The Nature of Alexander' that I bought in > excellent condition for BN rare books. I have read Plutarch and several > other books on him.I even have 'The Great Battles of Alexander' computer > game. He truly was the best! -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +3903283322970 tel/fax: +390668803312 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander III of Macedon Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:15:16 -0700 From: jpopovic To: Valentina Pavleska read: http://1stmuse.com/frames/index.html http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Aabo%3Atlg%2C0525%2C001&query=9%3A7%3A2 Cleopatra of Egypt is great-great daughter of Ptolomy - Alexander general Valentina Pavleska ha scritto: > > > hello, I'm Valentina Pavleska. I may be wrong but i've heard that after > Alexander's death, his direct family escaped (or was sent) to Egypt so > that they would not be assassinated or murdered by anyone who wanted > Alexander's thrown. It is also said that Cleopatra of Egypt was part of > those that fled. She is somehow related to > Alexander. > Sincerely, Valentina > Pavleska > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +3903283322970 tel/fax: +390668803312 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: thank you! Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 20:56:04 -0300 From: Wilma Senyshyn To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com i was so impressed with your page on Alexander. the pictures are great, and the information is so understandable! thanks, because it really helped me with my history project. -Angela --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:36:16 -0400 From: "Barb" To: Curious as to where you got the month of Alexander's birth as July. I have read that it was the first week of August. And even on your site? You say late July in one place and the sixth of the month(August I assume) in another. B*T*W, I love your site! I saw the Alexander the Great exhibit twice when it was in my area...and presented a report on him my sophomore year in college. That was some time ago and yet? The interest is still there. I had almost hoped they had found his tomb...but? If they had, they would have desecrated him, so perhaps it is best they do not. I have a copy of Mary Renault's book ,'The Nature of Alexander' that I bought in excellent condition for BN rare books. I have read Plutarch and several other books on him. I even have 'The Great Battles of Alexander' computer game. He truly was the best! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Greek Chap Book Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:59:23 +0530 From: "ranajit_pal" To: "John J. Popovic" May 1, 2001 Dear John, Haven't heard from you for quite some time. Are you aware how Alexander sealed his letters? I have been searching through Indian texts to find any information about Harpalus who I think was involved in a conspiracy against Alexander; but have not had any success. I even do not have much material on the play 'Agen'. Recently in the Pothos forum there was much discussion about the "Greek Chap Book" of Spiropoulos. What is your impression about it? With best regards, Dr. Ranajit Pal --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:04:34 -0000 From: "Valentina Pavleska" To: hello, I'm Valentina Pavleska. I may be wrong but i've heard that after Alexander's death, his direct family escaped (or was sent) to Egypt so that they would not be assassinated or murdered by anyone who wanted Alexander's thrown. It is also said that Cleopatra of Egypt was part of those that fled. She is somehow related to Alexander. 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Thank you for your time :) For more info: info@greatestpictures.com Please do not reply to this mail; replied mail is not read. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: A link to your page Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:43:00 +0200 From: "Hjallti" To: Hi, I'm planning to put together a site with great people out of history. The page that should feature the Alexander page, at the moment only features a single line linking to your site. the Url is http://www.hjallti.com/history Thanks for your great site. If you have any advice on how I should work things out, feel free to give it. greetings Hjallti --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] From India Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:13:07 -0000 From: "Jain History" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@yahoogroups.com To: greek-mythology@yahoogroups.com, alexander-macedon@yahoogroups.com, arkhaios@yahoogroups.com Dear Friends, I am Mahavir Sanglikar from India. I want some help from you. I have created a website regarding history of Jains and Jainism at: http://jainhistory.faithweb.com Please have a look at that. If you have some articles or information about of india/jains from Greek history, please send it to me. I would like to use it on my website. Looking forward for your kind co operation, Mahavir Sanglikar _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> ClubMom is the first free organization dedicated to rewarding and celebrating Moms! Join today - it's free - and get your chance to win in our $5,000 Family Vacation Sweepstakes! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ppl8ZC/TFaCAA/qvCFAA/glrelB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: thank you Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:22:24 -0500 From: "Glenn Thomas" To: just a quick thanks from an alexander fan to an alexander fan. Im on my tenth report (in school) doing alex'es life, and everytime i do one i find something different. something cool and unique. this guys life has everything a top rate historical movie needs. hey maybe ill write one some day. awsome project, good idea. overall thanks for your sites help. nate --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:03:04 -0400 From: "Murray Lowe" To: Mr. Popovic, I enjoyed your site. I am writing an essay on Alexander the Great and I found your site very helpful and very organized. Thank you ~Melinda Harris --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cleitus' the Black' Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:16:28 -0400 From: Tony R Tamer To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Dr. Popovic: there was really a Cleitus the blond ? If so, can you give me some idea about where to reference his boigraphical data ? I hope that I am not a bother , but besides the book I'm writing( which has two parts: the modern = fiction , and the past = as real as I can make it ) I know a college professor at a ' black ' university that teaches non-arbitrarily that Cleitus was black racially. He teaches this in conjunction with Cleitus saving Alexander's life at Granicus, implying that if it weren't for blacks history would be radically different, which is true, but I don't think Historical accuracy is served here. I try to interpret my history lessons based on facts and leave the conceptualizations until after facts point the way. This sort of thing was systemic and pervaded the entire curriculum, eg. Hannibal and Co. were also black,which is doubtful since they were a phonecian colony and most likely originally from the middle-east. On my mid-term there I had 4 questions ( out of 11 ) that were about black cowboys and 1 about Abraham Lincoln. This was on Blacks during the civil war era. Hoping these questions are not a bother---Tony Tamer On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:03:37 -0700 jpopovic writes: > To be distinguished from the Cleitus called, " the Blond " > > Tony R Tamer ha scritto: > > > why was Cleitus called, " the Black " ? -Thank You-Tony Tamer > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > -- > ------------------------------------- > Dr. John Jan Popovic > Analyst / Project Manager > Periodical Co > tel: +3903283322970 > tel/fax: +390668803312 > Via Madonna dei Monti 61 > 00184 Rome, Italy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cleitus' the Black' Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:36:08 -0400 From: Tony R Tamer To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Professori, why was Cleitus called, " the Black " ? -Thank You-Tony Tamer ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander de Great Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:40:40 +0100 From: "Paulo Coutinho" To: Since i am making a small work on Alexander the Great, i came by this way to ask you, if it could be possible to you send me a copy of the webpage you published. I saw it and found very interesting material, but i need to translate it. I thank you already for your compreention. I would like if it was possible a reply to this e-mail if the answear to my request is negative. Signed: Paulo Coutinho --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: Alexander site] Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:00:42 -0800 From: jp-micanet To: jjp -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander site Date: Tue, 20 Feb 01 20:45:53 -0600 From: To: My compliments on your web site. Particularly with the extensive and good quality images you provide. You have some pictures of statues/busts that I have not seen before and I think I own, or have at least read, every book on Alexander. Thank you for such an informative site with great scans! Susan --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander's Hair Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:05:18 -0500 From: Tony R Tamer To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Thank you for the kindness of your reply. If I write this book, a copy will be sent to you with the acknowlegedment of your input.At this point I intend to present Alexander's personality as an over-large ego that is understandably large relative to his genius.The trend-setting shaven face when his own beard was not comparatively Kingly fits well into my view of Alexander. Thank You ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander's Hair Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:24:53 -0500 (EST) From: Tony Tamer To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Dear Professor,I'd like to write a book that features Alexander the Great in a generally factual docudrama that paralells a modern day publically low profile Alexander. I'm looking for a more personal key to his personality and thought that it may illuminate this for me to read up on any material that dealt with why Alexander would shave his face.To my knowledge,albeit of humble proportions to what it should be,it would've been radically different than the fashion then current.When young men revolt against a fashion they could have a statement to make with their own. I would appreciate it if you could point me in the direction of seeing inside the mind of the teenage Alexander.Thank You, Tony Tamer e-mail: Taco.Tamer@Juno.com 1031 Sequoia Drive, Lewisville ,NC 27023 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: change of address Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:40:21 -0800 From: "BP" To: Hello John, You have a link to my Dionysos Links page: http://www.calweb.com/~baubo/dionysos.html I have moved to a new server, here is the new URL: http://members.home.net/baubo5/dionysos.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Permission to Reproduce Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:47:54 -0800 From: "Edwin Grote" To: Dear Mr. Popovic, I am writing a book which would greatly benefit from an illustration of Alexander the Great. May I obtain permission to include one of your portraits of him in my book? Sincerely, Ed Grote P.S. I majored in history in both college and graduate school. I was thoroughly impressed with the depth amd breadth of your work on the great Greek king. P.S.S. I'm also a computer programmer. So I appreciate the quality of your web site and its presentation of so much valuable material. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: Alexander the great] Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:28:52 +0000 From: jp-micanet To: jjp -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander the great Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:15:08 -0800 From: "Timothy G. Willis" To: Hi, I am doing a thesis paper, and enjoyed your site. I was wondering if you could help me out with some information for my thesis paper, my thesis statement is: The use of horses has played an important role in determining the outcome of many major battles throughout history. I was wondering if you could give me some information that, horses in a battle of Alexander the great's helped him win his battles, this info would be a great help to me. Thanks. Megan --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander site Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:49:08 +0000 From: jp-micanet To: glassgriffin@earthlink.net CC: jjp Dear Susan, Thank you for your kind compliments! Best Regards John glassgriffin@earthlink.net ha scritto: > My compliments on your web site. Particularly with the extensive and good > quality images you provide. You have some pictures of statues/busts that > I have not seen before and I think I own, or have at least read, every > book on Alexander. Thank you for such an informative site with great > scans! > > Susan -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fw: Contemporary evidence Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:36:49 +0100 From: "x p" To: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:17 AM Subject: Contemporary evidence > Hi, nice site. Occasionally I run across people (usually arguing for the > existence of various religious figures) who claim that there is no real > evidence that any ancient person really existed and a favourite comparison > for their hero is Alexander the Great. Is there any contemporary (dated to > Alexander's lifetime) evidence that Alexander existed such as treaties, coins > or statues? Thanks, Joseph. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander the Great Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:53:10 -0200 From: Roncalli Maranhão Reply-To: alexander-macedon@yahoogroups.com To: Hello folks : Can any body tell me if there still is the ruins of Felipe Castle and where is it ? And what about Alexander sword? Does it still exist in some museum? Thank you Roncalli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: alex Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:08:01 +0000 From: jp-micanet To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Hi from Neda Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:32:03 -0500 From: "Neda R K" To: Mr. Popovic, Hello, how are you? I'm a junior at Paxon SAS, and I'm doing an extended essay based on research. My intended emphasis is Persia, because of Alexander the Great, became a Hellenistic center of the world. I was hoping that you would be able to provide me with information in this area or direct me to somewhere I could find information. Sincerely, Neda --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fwd: Question Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:46:36 GMT From: john@micanet.it To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Forwarded Message: > To: > From: "mojo" > Subject: Question > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:55:13 -0500 > ----- > Did Alexander ever try to attack Isreal , but turned away because he was > told that the Old prophets talked about his coming years before this > event accually happened ? > --------------------------------------------- Questo messaggio e' stato inviato tramite MicaMail. http://www.www.micanet.it --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re[2]: Alexander images Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:28:51 +0100 From: Werner Stuerenburg To: jpopovic Sie schrieben am Samstag, 20. Januar 2001, 22:14:35: > Liebe Werner, > Ich freue mich dass sie 1stMuse Bildmaterial interesant fienden. > Meine beste komplimente fuehr Online-Pferdemagazins! > Saluti Romani > John Dear John: Thank you. Nice to have met you. -- Herzlich Werner Stuerenburg _________________________________________________ ISIS Verlag, Teut 3, D-32683 Barntrup-Alverdissen Tel 0(049) 5224-997 407 · Fax 0(049) 5224-997 409 http://pferdezeitung.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander the Invincible. Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:57:58 +0100 From: "adameus1" To: Dear Sir: Do you know of any statues or Busts of Alexander the Great that are available in the world today. I am looking for somthing like the one enclosed. Could you direct me to someone who would have such a likeness for sale? Thank You. Adameus. Adameus1@netZero.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: alex3.lnk alex3.lnk Type: Collegamento (application/x-unknown-content-type-lnkfile) Encoding: base64 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander the Invincible. Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:47:39 +0100 From: "adameus1" To: "jpopovic" Dear Sir: Could you describe the experience of this author from memory? Best of Regards. Adameus. -----Original Message----- From: jpopovic To: adameus1 Date: ÔåôÜñôç, 17 Éáíïõáñßïõ 2001 7:08 ìì Subject: Re: Alexander the Invincible. >I would like to give to you personal confirmation related to your experience. >But I am not in position to confirm it personally. >I think, such an epizode you may find in the book of the French writter >Alexander Marlaux >visit: >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0686563220/qid=979754872/sr=1-30/ref =sc_b_5/107-0448384-0744545 > >Best Regards >John >adameus1 ha scritto: > >> Dear Sir: >> >> In the year 1992, I was sleeping on the floor in the front room one night, >> and Alexander of Macedon appeared standing at my feet with his spear in his >> left hand, point driven into the floor near my feet. He turned his head and >> smiled at me as he raised his head upward and looked down at me in a spirit >> of humor. I have not related this to anyone outside of my parents. Has >> anyone else has such an experience that you may know of? >> >> In True Faith. >> >> Adameus Regulus. >> >> Shop online without a credit card >> http://www.rocketcash.com >> RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary > >-- >------------------------------------- >Dr. John Jan Popovic >Analyst / Project Manager >Periodical Co >tel: +3903283322970 >fax: +390636303032 >Via Madonna dei Monti 61 >00184 Rome, Italy > > > Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re[2]: Alexander images Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:18:19 +0100 From: Werner Stuerenburg To: jpopovic Dear John > You may use my images as you please. Thank you. > It would be appreciated if you mention the copyright notice and > references. Sorry, sure I do. I mentioned your article as main reference with a link already. I also mentioned your name with a link to your personal page. I expected you to read the article in German, so I thought you knew. I am told that there is no copyright to reproductions of objects to which copyright expired. The reasoning seems to be, IIRC: Copyright applies to artistic expression only, whereas reproductive photography can be done by machines and is therefore not protected by copyright. If the object itself is protected, then copyright applies to the object, but again not to the reproduction. This is the reason why people like Carol Gerten-Jackson or Mark Harden or projects like WebMuseum can be done without problems. Also, pictures can be taken from there without copyright notice. For example, Nicholas Poch tells on http://mexplaza.udg.mx/wm/paint/auth/altdorfer/ that the photographs are by Carol Gerten-Jackson, but no copyright notice. He claims copyright for the whole page, though, as this is his own creative work. On page http://mexplaza.udg.mx/wm/paint/auth/altdorfer/detail1.jpg, there is no notice at all, and this picture is most probably not by Carol, as she doesn't produce that large. She has the same details as Pioch, but her details' sources are called differently than the one shown by Pioch. Also, the colours are obviously different. Chances may be that she has improved in technique and made new reproductions, as hers are slightly superior to the other. So, if you agree, I will let the page be as it is. Please take a look. The page in question has the address http://pferdezeitung.de/Galerie/Schlaumachen -- Herzlich Werner Stuerenburg _________________________________________________ ISIS Verlag, Teut 3, D-32683 Barntrup-Alverdissen Tel 0(049) 5224-997 407 · Fax 0(049) 5224-997 409 http://pferdezeitung.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander the Invincible. Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:35:04 +0100 From: "adameus1" To: Dear Sir: In the year 1992, I was sleeping on the floor in the front room one night, and Alexander of Macedon appeared standing at my feet with his spear in his left hand, point driven into the floor near my feet. He turned his head and smiled at me as he raised his head upward and looked down at me in a spirit of humor. I have not related this to anyone outside of my parents. Has anyone else has such an experience that you may know of? In True Faith. Adameus Regulus. Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander images Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 01:58:23 +0100 From: Werner Stuerenburg To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Sehr geehrter Herr Popovic! Am vergangenen Samstag habe ich für die aktuelle Ausgabe unseres Online-Pferdemagazins Informationen zu Alexander gesucht und bin natürlich auf Ihre Seite gestoßen. Bezüglich der textlichen Inhalte gibt es keine Probleme, da ich den Gesamttext frei formuliert habe und für die Verarbeitung von Gedanken anderer Leute keinerlei Copyright-Beschränkungen vorliegen. Anders ist das mit den Bildern. Ich habe mich mit der entsprechenden rechtlichen Situation beschäftigt. Wenn ich das als Nicht-Jurist richtig verstanden habe, genießen reine Reproduktionen keinen urheberrechtlichen Schutz. Trotzdem möchte ich Sie davon in Kenntnis setzen, daß ich mich auch bei Ihrem Bildmaterial bedient habe und bitte um nachträgliche Genehmigung. Außerdem hoffe ich, daß Sie an meinem Beitrag auch ein wenig Vergnügen haben. -- Herzlich Werner Stuerenburg _________________________________________________ ISIS Verlag, Teut 3, D-32683 Barntrup-Alverdissen Tel 0(049) 5224-997 407 · Fax 0(049) 5224-997 409 http://pferdezeitung.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: a new Alexander web-sitte Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:11:53 EST From: HOPE7JOHN@aol.com To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Here's a link to a new Alexander the Great web-site: Ancient Writings On Alexander the Great --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: BURIAL PLACE OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT?] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:57:15 +0000 From: jp-micanet To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: BURIAL PLACE OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT? Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 03:23:46 -0800 From: "SIDNEY TREHERNE" To: HELLO, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS AN ACTUAL BURIAL SITE OF ALEXANDER, AND IF SO, WHERE IS IT? IF IT EXIST, IS THERE A WAY INWHICH I CAN OBTAIN PHOTOS OF THAT SITE? PERHAPS A BOOK OR ?? THANKS, SID --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: Favorite Military Genious] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:55:14 +0000 From: jp-micanet To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Favorite Military Genious Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:18:54 -0800 From: "Lex Morgan" To: You should add Robert E Lee. Gretchen Morgan gretchenmorgan@yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Re: Alexander's death Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:56:47 +1030 From: "davidjp" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: In my studies of ancient Greece at university, the lecturer said that Alexander had died from pneumonia. Apparently he was intoxicated and/or tired, he went for a swim in, or fell in, a cold stream and got pneumonia. This is, as far as historians know, is the closest to the facts. Whatever else anybody says is hearsay - it could be true, but it is hearsay. ----- Original Message ----- From: mdroberts@cableinet.co.uk To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 5:25 AM Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Re: Alexanders Body. The Great Captain General --- In alexander-macedon@egroups.com, walsmfc wrote: > Dear Rick, > > thanks for the reply. I knew all of what you said and the reason Caesar refused > the offer of the sword, in my view backed up by what you yourself wrote was that > he felt unworthy of such an honour. But what really intrigues me is where is > the sarcophagus now? I don't know if you are aware of the fact that there is a > French expedition in the water at Alexandria lokking for the lighthouse and > Cleopatras palace and have been for the last two or three years. They have > found what they believe to be the palace so the question is - is the body of the > Great Man there? The way his luck ran the body will be in good condition and > the mysteries surrounding his life could be answered once anf for all. Hope > this message finds you well > > Yours Aye > > Wullie > > Richard Hogan wrote: > > > > > Hey how are you doing. > > As you probably already know Alexander Died in Babylon, in 323B.C.E at the > > age of 32. Well his Generals asked him a question on his death bed. > > Scholars and Historians do agree that the question asked was "Alexander, to > > whom do you leave your empire?" Who asked the question is not certain, but > > the answer was very simple and disturbing as well, > > "TO THE STRONGEST." Alexander was heard to have whispered before he died. > > (AGAIN DO THE RESEARCH, YOU WILL FIND IT) > > Well after preparing and dressing the body for travel, the army and generals > > voted and it was unanimous that Alexander was to be put to rest at the city > > he found, Alexandria. The funeral procession was purposely slow so that way > > people could follow or view the Great Captain General, ruler of the known > > world. > > Finally reaching Alexandria, Alexanders body was put into an air tight Glass > > coffin(how this coffin was made no one knows)and it was laid inside the > > great lighthouse, so those who wanted to pray and view a God, could simply > > walk in and see Alexander. > > > > Jumping ahead some 3 centuries, Queen Cleopatra, and Gaius Julius Ceasar > > were viewing the body of Alexander. > > Now according to Egyptian papyrus scrolls, Cleopatra did offer the sword of > > Alexander to Ceasar, what did Ceasar say? No one knows, but again you will > > have people say they do know and make up an answer they believe. My honest > > answer, we do not know but only can guess that Ceasar declined the offer; > > because how would you break into a air tight glass coffin without damaging > > the body? > > And Ceasar had to much respect and love to disturb the greatest King of > > Antiquity. > > REMEMBER NOW, while Ceasar was in Spain at age 32, he came across a Statue > > of the Great King and began to cry because he felt that he as a man had done > > nothing with his life, while Alexander when he dies at 32 was Conquerer of > > the known world. So what does that tell you about Alexander, if Ceasar > > cried. > > > > PLease i would not be offended at all if you desire to check up on what i > > told you. by all means please research whatever you doubt on what i have > > told you. > > > > By the way my friends call me Rick. > > > > until next time, have a good day. eGroups Sponsor [Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99!] Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander's Altars Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 07:48:54 +0530 From: "ranajit_pal" To: "John J. Popovic" Jan. 7, 2001 Dear Dr. Popovic, The Indian government consider's the four-lion emblem to be a relic of Asoka and their Asoka is not Diodotus-I but hopefully a native of Bihar in Eastern India. Although is no concrete proof for the contention that the Sarnath pilar was Alexander's, it is very plausible. >From the standpoint of the art-historian this is almost inescapable and this shows that much of what is being written about the Hellenistic phenomenon is balefully inadequate. Regards, Dr. Ranajit Pal --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander's Lost Altars Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:27:40 +0530 From: "ranajit_pal" To: "j" Dear Dr. Popovic, Thanks for your suggestion. I shall add the pictures of the pillars. Though I have not talked about the Sarnath pillar there remains the possibility that it too could have been an altar originally erected by Alexander. This would mean that the present four-lion symbol of the Indian government is a legacy of Alexander. Do you realize what it means? Regards, Dr. Pal ----- Original Message ----- From: j To: ranajit_pal Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Alexander's Lost Altars It would be nice, if you could illustrate your articles with the photographs like - Asokan pillars - ASOKA'S LIONS regards & happy new millennium John ranajit_pal wrote: > Dear Dr. Popovic, I hope you are aware of my website > www.geocities.com/ranajitda in which I have claimed that the > altars of Alexander were in fact converted by Asoka into his > pillar edicts. I shall be thankful if you let me know about your > impressions on the paper. With regards, Dr. Ranajit Pal, e-mail > ranajit_2002@yahoo.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander's Lost Altars Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:11:16 +0530 From: "ranajit_pal" To: "John J. Popovic" Dear Dr. Popovic, I hope you are aware of my website www.geocities.com/ranajitda in which I have claimed that the altars of Alexander were in fact converted by Asoka into his pillar edicts. I shall be thankful if you let me know about your impressions on the paper. With regards, Dr. Ranajit Pal, e-mail ranajit_2002@yahoo.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: Your website on Alexander the Great] Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:11:10 +0000 From: jp-micanet To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com, "max@1stmuse.com" -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Periodical Co tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Your website on Alexander the Great Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:02:33 -0600 From: Ross A Cram To: Dear Sir, I just wanted to let you know that I think your web site dedicated to Alexander the Great is phenomenal. I am presently writing a paper for my college history course, The Rise of Ancient Rome. If you have no quarrels with the idea I would like to use your site as a major resource for my paper. Thank you, Ross Cram --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Some help would be greatly appreciated... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:31:39 EST From: MNMPoet@aol.com To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Dear Mr. Popovic: Thank you graciously. This interview is a very essential part of my term paper. Without this addition to my paper, my grade would be worth less than a B. I'm aspiring to maintain an A in this class. Very few classes in all my life have had such meaning to me in my entire life. I hope that I will receive your reply soon. Thank you again. Sincerely, Matthew Carrizosa --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Some help would be greatly appreciated... Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:05:51 EST From: MNMPoet@aol.com To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Dear Mr. Popovic: I greatly appreciate your help in this matter, but there is one very large obstacle that faces me for this interview. The great distance you and I share. You see, I live in Hawaii and from your information it appears you reside in Italy. To help this matter, I've attached a set of questions that I had planned on asking you for this interview along with my first and second drafts for my papers. The requirements of this paper never restricted an email interview. Thank you again for your cooperation. Sincerely, Matthew Carrizosa --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Interview-Popovic.ZIP Interview-Popovic.ZIP Type: Zip Compressed Data (application/x-zip-compressed) Encoding: base64 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: IMPORTANT: Some help would be greatly appreciated... Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:30:20 EST From: MNMPoet@aol.com To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Dear Mr. Popovic: I've really gotten a great look at Alexander's life through your site, but I would like to speak to you more personally on his life. Perhaps on an interview basis. There are a few things that might sway your opinion as to whether you would want to be part of this interview though. First, it requires a full name, and day time telephone number. The person being interviewed must be college educated, and through your web site I feel you are, but I would just like to make that clear. Those are the requirements. I hope you can get back to me ASAP because this is all due for a school term paper due on the seventh of this month. Please, I would truly appreciate the help. For your own information, I am a Senior in high school. If you would like, I would be more than willing to send you a copy of my first and second draft of my term paper. Sincerely, Matthew Carrizosa --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:00:38 +0900 From: ±è±âÇö To: Peace be with you! My name is Kim Kihyun from Korea. I am the one who involved in working of translating for the sreading God's word with the Holy Bible(KJV). On the causeway I study at the site of Tyre which recorded in the Bible (Ezekiel 26:1~6). The historical site was destroyed by the men of Alexander the Great. I do not know the causeway. Actually I've never seen and heard before. Would you send me the pix of the causeway and now the site with explanation of what it was, these will be very helpful to em for the great work of Bible. Will do me a favour? I hope you will success in every work you get in Jesus name...bless you! mikelove@netsgo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: visited your site Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:23:46 -0800 From: "Janet Green" To: Hi We went to your site at http://1stmuse.com/alex3/alex-synopsys.html We feel there is very substantial potential to promote your site on the Internet. That is what we do - we bring traffic to our clients websites. 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If you wish to be excluded from all future mailings please click reply and type remove in the subject line. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] (unknown) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:55:36 -0700 From: "Bob Taft" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: The oracle at Delphi told him "thou art invincible." The priests at Siwah made him an official "God." Well, we're all gods aren't we??? Best Regards, Bob Taft The Taft Ranch (307) 332-2352 ----- Original Message ----- From: "davidjp" To: Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] (unknown) > Alexander's lack of worry of his health may also have been due to his > belief that he was more than a mere mortal. It was natural for kings and > rulers to have instilled in them that they had a connection with divinity, > or were divine. Because of this, as well as his extraordinary military > success may have caused him to think that he was indestructible. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: paolo araya > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:22 AM > Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] (unknown) > > > > I'm very interested on the fact that pointed out Lynda Marie, related to > the > > Macedonians and their lack of information about Alexander. Is there a > > Macedonian or anyone who is reading this that really has a clue about what > > is going on? Because I find it hard to believe that the Macedonians don't > > know about their legacy and heritage. > > > > And related to the latest e-mails sended, isn't it true that Alexander´s > > death is more related to his lifestyle of excess, never worrying about his > > health, obviously because of his age? > > > > Thanks. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/5/_/22834/_/975095685/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] (unknown) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:01:25 +1030 From: "davidjp" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: Alexander's lack of worry of his health may also have been due to his belief that he was more than a mere mortal. It was natural for kings and rulers to have instilled in them that they had a connection with divinity, or were divine. Because of this, as well as his extraordinary military success may have caused him to think that he was indestructible. ----- Original Message ----- From: paolo araya To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:22 AM Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] (unknown) > I'm very interested on the fact that pointed out Lynda Marie, related to the > Macedonians and their lack of information about Alexander. Is there a > Macedonian or anyone who is reading this that really has a clue about what > is going on? Because I find it hard to believe that the Macedonians don't > know about their legacy and heritage. > > And related to the latest e-mails sended, isn't it true that Alexander´s > death is more related to his lifestyle of excess, never worrying about his > health, obviously because of his age? > > Thanks. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/975080334/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Re: Lysippus Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:17:37 From: "paolo araya" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Thank you. I will. J. Popovic wrote: >I suggest you to read more about Lysippus: .... >Moreno's description of Alexander's portraits are outstanding ... >Lisippo : L'arte e la fortuna >Paolo Moreno, L'arte di Lisippo >Milano : Fabbri, 1995. - 519 p. : - ISBN 88-450-5738-0 > >paolo araya wrote: > > > Thank you Mr. Popovic. Not as explicit as anyone wishes, but thanks >anyway. > > > > Paolo. > > > > JPopovic wrote: > > > > >1. Manfredi made a good job, although too much novelistic. > > > > > >2. Three artists were officialy appointed by Alexander: ( PLINII >NATURALIS > > >HISTORIAE) > > >a) Lysippos (or Lysippus) - sculptures in bronze > > >http://www.1stmuse.com/album/Lysippus.html > > >b) Apelles - paintings > > >c) Pyrgoteles - marble sculptures and cameos > > >( idem hic imperator edixit ne quis ipsum alius quam Apelles pingeret, >quam > > >Pyrgoteles > > >scalperet, quam Lysippus ex aere duceret quae artes pluribus inclaruere > > >exemplis. PLINII > > >NATURALIS HISTORIAE - liber VII) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >paolo araya wrote: > > > > > > > Mr. Popovic: Since I got interested in Alexander, I started >searching > > >for > > > > more information about him on the web. At last, I found your page, >which > > >I > > > > believe is the most complete, easy to use, and also, where you can >see a > > >lot > > > > of portraits. > > > > > > > > There are some other pages, but they lack of information, or are >very > > > > idealistic. For example, I believe that Alexander was not gay, as >some > > >may > > > > point out. But these people really don't understand the culture of >that > > > > time, and I believe they use his name just to feel better about > > >themselves. > > > > > > > > As you know, I read the Manfredi's work, have you? Do you think he >made > > >a > > > > good job? or too much novelistic and less attached to reality? > > > > > > > > Another thing. About the portraits, I understand that Lyssipo was >the > > >only > > > > person Alexander permitted to create statues of himself. In fact, >you > > >took > > > > pictures of Alexander and Aristotle statues, as I saw at your media >and > > > > synopsys work, which were made by Lyssipo. > > > > > > > > But there are so many pictures of statues in the portrait section, >that > > >they > > > > are merely described as alex13, alex34, alex28, etc. How can I guess > > >which > > > > ones were made by Lissipo? Because in that way, I can really have a >real > > > > clue about how he looked. I don't think is accurate to be influenced >by > > > > copies that were made 100 o 200 years after his death. That is why >there > > >are > > > > so many differences in the portraits. Obviously, you can guess > > >inmediately > > > > which are really showing him as he was, but really knowing which >were > > >made > > > > by Lyssipo would be of help. > > > > > > > > And by the way, I can only think of you about asking the museums >that > > >have > > > > those Lyssipo's statues. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your attention and help! > > > > > > > > Paolo. > > > > > > > > >From: jpopovic > > > > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > > > >To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] > > > > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:09:46 +0000 > > > > > > > > > >visit ... http://1stmuse.com/frames/ > > > > > > > > > >Bob Taft wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Paolo, I'll have to look for those books. Sounds like a > > >treasure > > > > > > trove of information on Alexander. Neither alldirect or amazon >list > > > > > > Manfredi's books so I'll have to look elsewhere. You've gotten >me > > > > > > interested in digging into Alexander again. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Taft > > > > > > The Taft Ranch > > > > > > (307) 332-2352 > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "paolo araya" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:06 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, in fact, that is the one book I've ever read about >Alexander. > > >It > > > > >is > > > > > > > really three books, and as far as I know, this author >travelled > > >and > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > a lot of things about him. But, lets say, in Amazon, you can >only > > >find > > > > >one > > > > > > > of the books. I really don't remember its name. In fact, I >read > > >the > > > > >three > > > > > > of > > > > > > > them because where I live (Costa Rica) they have them all in > > >spanish. > > > > > > Their > > > > > > > names are: "El hijo del sueño"(The dream's son), "Las arenas >de > > >Amon" > > > > > > (Sands > > > > > > > of Amon), and "El confin del mundo" (The border of the world). > > > > > > > Anyway, I hope that you can find them all in alldirect.com. >Its > > > > >narrative > > > > > > is > > > > > > > excellent, and you can't stop reading those 1000+ pages. > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bob Taft" > > > > > > > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:45:47 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Now that's one I've not heard Paolo, about the dog. Haven't >read > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > >of Alexander in years. Saw a book about him the other day >I've > > >not > > > > >read > > > > > > so > > > > > > > >will have to send for it. (From www.alldirect.com). If I >find > > >out > > > > > > > >anything > > > > > > > >about the dog Peritas I'll pass it on. That Manfredi book >sounds > > > > > > > >interesting; haven't seen it advertised. > > > > > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bob Taft > > > > > > > >The Taft Ranch > > > > > > > >(307) 332-2352 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "paolo araya" > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:06 AM > > > > > > > >Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a book written by Valerio Massimo Manfredi, who >said > > >that > > > > > > > >Alexander, > > > > > > > > > since he was a young boy, had a dog called "Peritas". He > > >described > > > > >a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > events related to this unconditional friend of Alexander, >that > > > > > > > >eventually > > > > > > > > > saved his life in one of the battles. Is it true that > > >Alexander > > > > >had a > > > > > > > >dog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks four your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > >_________ > > > > > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _________ > > > > > > > Get more from the Web. 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Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/975050038/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:18:18 -0700 From: "Bob Taft" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: I remember reading the Persian Boy, awful stuff. She did take great liberties. Some novelists should apologize at the beginning of their works, for the erroneous impressions they give about historical characters. It is not greatly difficult to recall past life experiences where there is a violent death involved. As Alexander lost three-fourths of his army leaving India, I suppose I might have been one of those, then grabbed a local Indian baby for my next cycle. Read the book Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health for ideas on how to recall past lives. I've not seen the Green or Apostolou books, just wondering if anyone has. Best Regards, Bob Taft The Taft Ranch (307) 332-2352 ----- Original Message ----- From: "paolo araya" To: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > I'm certainly going to search for that E.A. Wallis work. It sounds very > interesting, perhaps very accurate due to the dates of the manuscripts. > A couple of weeks ago I read that the work of Mary Renault diminished > Alexander's impact on the latest generations (let's call it Generation X), > because of his relationship with the "persian boy". Have you heard anything > about that? > > And what about that famous mozaic image? I'm with you, it is horrible! What > kind of nose is that? And let's not talk about his eyes. > > Anyway, because you're refering to Peter Green and Anna Apostolou, have you > seen their work? > > How do you know about that karmic life cycle? I'm amazed about what you said > experienced 2300 years ago! How's that? > > Take care. > > Paolo > > >From: "Bob Taft" > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:19:36 -0700 > > > >Most anything about Alexander is interesting to old Greeks like us. How > >reliable it all is I don't know. The first thing I read outside of high > >school history was Plutarch's Lives... which I love. That E. A. Wallis > >Budge work I mentioned is from Ethiopic manuscripts from I believe around > >the 14th or 15th century AD. Arrian was much closer, writing perhaps 3 or > >4 > >hundred years after Alexander. I'd still like to read that Manfredi work > >some day if I find it (in English). Among other novelists in recent days > >we > >have of course Mary Renault (a nom de plume I believe), who made an > >interesting story but also to me took great literary license in her work. > >No doubt another old Greek. > >Yes, you can bet we were all old Greeks. Alexander had huge armies. > >Actually the only thing I'm sure of in my own time track was right after > >the > >Macedonian/Greek invasion I had a short, karmic life cycle in India, eaten > >by a tiger at age 2, my parents searching the river for me thinking I'd > >drowned, not knowing about the tiger. He crunched right through my 2-year > >old head. India had her revenge for whatever part I played in her > >territorial violation as part of Alexander's army. > >Yes, John Popovic's Alexander site is excellent. I'd seen it before. > >There > >are an amazing number of Alexander sites on the web. As I said, Alexander > >had huge armies; lots of old Greeks still running around. > >As for reliable representations of Alexander's image, I'd suppose the > >coinage commissioned by Ptolemy and others of Alexander's immediate > >successors who knew him personally might bear some reliable resemblance, > >though most any representation I suppose was expected to be some-what > >god-like, yes?? I never did like that famous mozaic image, on the horse, > >Beucephal (sp?)I guess. > >Has anyone read the Peter Green Alexander of Macedon??? And what about > >Anna Apostolou's "A Murder in Macedon- A Mystery of Alexander the Great." > >Must be another novel. > >Best Regards, > > > >Bob Taft > >The Taft Ranch > >(307) 332-2352 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "paolo araya" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 3:37 PM > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > > > > > > > Hey Bob, I think you are right! Since I got interested about some of > >things > > > concerned to Alexander, I've been wondering if in some way we lived some > > > lifetimes in that period. > > > > > > About the titles of those books you named, do you think they are really > > > interesting, and most of all, do they have some accuracy about what > >really > > > hapenned? > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bob Taft" > > > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > > > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:38:24 -0700 > > > > > > > >Hey thanks Wullie; I think William Wallace was a first-rate Greek > >too!!! > > > >And personally, I've always preferred Heracles over Hercules. > > > >You know it was after the kings of Scots became Kings of England and > > > >Scotland and the Stewarts outdid the Tudors and others before them in > >evil > > > >ways that my ancestors among many others in "the great migration" got > >out > > > >of > > > >Scotland and the British isles. There may have been other countries > >that > > > >attained a measure of freedom before the US but none were ever allowed > >the > > > >freedom to create and keep wealth to the extent that made America a > >beacon > > > >of hope in an oppressed world. People still flock into the US not > > > >realizing > > > >that we are once again being ground down under the British (Guelph) > >heel. > > > >In fact they never gave up total control over our monetary system which > >by > > > >itself is the key to freedom/slavery everywhere. Interesting to note > >that > > > >Robert the Bruce kept out of things until the commoner Wallace had been > > > >silenced. I wonder if Oleg has created a temple for William Wallace; > >I'll > > > >bet he has. > > > >Anyway, Paolo, among things I have on Alexander are Arrian's Campaigns > >of > > > >Alexander, and Wallis Budge's Life and Exploits of Alexander the Great, > >in > > > >Greek and english. And here's a modern work with lots of illustrations > >by > > > >Frank Lipsius, Alexander the Great, from 1974. And a couple cheaper > >works. > > > >But I will look for Manfredi's work. > > > >In alldirect.com if you look for "Alexander of Macedon" they have two > > > >titles, including the Peter Green Alexander the Great, but if you look > > > >under > > > >"Alexander the Great" they have 14 titles, mostly of very recent > >origin. > > > >There seems to be quite a revival of interest in Alexander. Wonderful. > > > >One thing is sure; anyone who takes an interest in all this doubtless > >lived > > > >a few lifetimes in the Greece/Macedonia of Alexander. > > > > > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > > > >Bob Taft > > > >The Taft Ranch > > > >(307) 332-2352 > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "walsmfc" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:09 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Bob, > > > > > > > > > > you can also rely on an American to bring America into a discussion > > > >about > > > > > something that is nothing to do with that country. I believe that > >some > > > > > other countries gained their freedom before yours did > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > Wullie > > > > > > > > > > btaft@wyoming.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree Lynda-Marie in that Alexander died of no natural > > > > > > cause. He upset too many apple carts in his short life cycle. > >Just > > > > > > look at the USA and the several presidents who have interfered > >with > > > > > > the plans of the money changers: Lincoln, Garfield, Kennedy. > > > > > > Additionally some who thwarted money-changers' plans but weren't > > > > > > executed like Madison, Jackson, Taft, but found political/economic > > > > > > dificulties thrown in their paths. The history of political > > > > > > dominance is strewn with the bodies of potential threats, women > >and > > > > > > children included, whole families wiped out. Anyone like > >Alexander > > > > > > who had more than personal greed as his motivator, who might have > > > > > > spread Greek republican principles abroad was a real threat to the > > > > > > status quo. What if he'd set a precedent for offering a freer > >life > > > > > > for the struggling masses; parish the thought!!! Not until 1775, a > > > > > > half a world away, did Freedom again rear it's threatening head. > >And > > > > > > now we're headed right back into political servitude, our Republic > > > > > > having been killed off in the second decade of this 20th century. > > > > > > Bob Taft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974953056/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:31:55 From: "paolo araya" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Thank you Mr. Popovic. Not as explicit as anyone wishes, but thanks anyway. Paolo. JPopovic wrote: >1. Manfredi made a good job, although too much novelistic. > >2. Three artists were officialy appointed by Alexander: ( PLINII NATURALIS >HISTORIAE) >a) Lysippos (or Lysippus) - sculptures in bronze >http://www.1stmuse.com/album/Lysippus.html >b) Apelles - paintings >c) Pyrgoteles - marble sculptures and cameos >( idem hic imperator edixit ne quis ipsum alius quam Apelles pingeret, quam >Pyrgoteles >scalperet, quam Lysippus ex aere duceret quae artes pluribus inclaruere >exemplis. PLINII >NATURALIS HISTORIAE - liber VII) > > > > >paolo araya wrote: > > > Mr. Popovic: Since I got interested in Alexander, I started searching >for > > more information about him on the web. At last, I found your page, which >I > > believe is the most complete, easy to use, and also, where you can see a >lot > > of portraits. > > > > There are some other pages, but they lack of information, or are very > > idealistic. For example, I believe that Alexander was not gay, as some >may > > point out. But these people really don't understand the culture of that > > time, and I believe they use his name just to feel better about >themselves. > > > > As you know, I read the Manfredi's work, have you? Do you think he made >a > > good job? or too much novelistic and less attached to reality? > > > > Another thing. About the portraits, I understand that Lyssipo was the >only > > person Alexander permitted to create statues of himself. In fact, you >took > > pictures of Alexander and Aristotle statues, as I saw at your media and > > synopsys work, which were made by Lyssipo. > > > > But there are so many pictures of statues in the portrait section, that >they > > are merely described as alex13, alex34, alex28, etc. How can I guess >which > > ones were made by Lissipo? Because in that way, I can really have a real > > clue about how he looked. I don't think is accurate to be influenced by > > copies that were made 100 o 200 years after his death. That is why there >are > > so many differences in the portraits. Obviously, you can guess >inmediately > > which are really showing him as he was, but really knowing which were >made > > by Lyssipo would be of help. > > > > And by the way, I can only think of you about asking the museums that >have > > those Lyssipo's statues. > > > > Thanks a lot for your attention and help! > > > > Paolo. > > > > >From: jpopovic > > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > >To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] > > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:09:46 +0000 > > > > > >visit ... http://1stmuse.com/frames/ > > > > > >Bob Taft wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks Paolo, I'll have to look for those books. Sounds like a >treasure > > > > trove of information on Alexander. Neither alldirect or amazon list > > > > Manfredi's books so I'll have to look elsewhere. You've gotten me > > > > interested in digging into Alexander again. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Bob Taft > > > > The Taft Ranch > > > > (307) 332-2352 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "paolo araya" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:06 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > > > Bob, in fact, that is the one book I've ever read about Alexander. >It > > >is > > > > > really three books, and as far as I know, this author travelled >and > > > > studied > > > > > a lot of things about him. But, lets say, in Amazon, you can only >find > > >one > > > > > of the books. I really don't remember its name. In fact, I read >the > > >three > > > > of > > > > > them because where I live (Costa Rica) they have them all in >spanish. > > > > Their > > > > > names are: "El hijo del sueño"(The dream's son), "Las arenas de >Amon" > > > > (Sands > > > > > of Amon), and "El confin del mundo" (The border of the world). > > > > > Anyway, I hope that you can find them all in alldirect.com. Its > > >narrative > > > > is > > > > > excellent, and you can't stop reading those 1000+ pages. > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bob Taft" > > > > > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:45:47 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >Now that's one I've not heard Paolo, about the dog. Haven't read > > > > anything > > > > > >of Alexander in years. Saw a book about him the other day I've >not > > >read > > > > so > > > > > >will have to send for it. (From www.alldirect.com). If I find >out > > > > > >anything > > > > > >about the dog Peritas I'll pass it on. That Manfredi book sounds > > > > > >interesting; haven't seen it advertised. > > > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > >Bob Taft > > > > > >The Taft Ranch > > > > > >(307) 332-2352 > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "paolo araya" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:06 AM > > > > > >Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a book written by Valerio Massimo Manfredi, who said >that > > > > > >Alexander, > > > > > > > since he was a young boy, had a dog called "Peritas". He >described > > >a > > > > lot > > > > > >of > > > > > > > events related to this unconditional friend of Alexander, that > > > > > >eventually > > > > > > > saved his life in one of the battles. Is it true that >Alexander > > >had a > > > > > >dog? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks four your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > _ > > > > > >_________ > > > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > _________ > > > > > Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974950316/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:27:49 From: "paolo araya" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com I'm certainly going to search for that E.A. Wallis work. It sounds very interesting, perhaps very accurate due to the dates of the manuscripts. A couple of weeks ago I read that the work of Mary Renault diminished Alexander's impact on the latest generations (let's call it Generation X), because of his relationship with the "persian boy". Have you heard anything about that? And what about that famous mozaic image? I'm with you, it is horrible! What kind of nose is that? And let's not talk about his eyes. Anyway, because you're refering to Peter Green and Anna Apostolou, have you seen their work? How do you know about that karmic life cycle? I'm amazed about what you said experienced 2300 years ago! How's that? Take care. Paolo >From: "Bob Taft" >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:19:36 -0700 > >Most anything about Alexander is interesting to old Greeks like us. How >reliable it all is I don't know. The first thing I read outside of high >school history was Plutarch's Lives... which I love. That E. A. Wallis >Budge work I mentioned is from Ethiopic manuscripts from I believe around >the 14th or 15th century AD. Arrian was much closer, writing perhaps 3 or >4 >hundred years after Alexander. I'd still like to read that Manfredi work >some day if I find it (in English). Among other novelists in recent days >we >have of course Mary Renault (a nom de plume I believe), who made an >interesting story but also to me took great literary license in her work. >No doubt another old Greek. >Yes, you can bet we were all old Greeks. Alexander had huge armies. >Actually the only thing I'm sure of in my own time track was right after >the >Macedonian/Greek invasion I had a short, karmic life cycle in India, eaten >by a tiger at age 2, my parents searching the river for me thinking I'd >drowned, not knowing about the tiger. He crunched right through my 2-year >old head. India had her revenge for whatever part I played in her >territorial violation as part of Alexander's army. >Yes, John Popovic's Alexander site is excellent. I'd seen it before. >There >are an amazing number of Alexander sites on the web. As I said, Alexander >had huge armies; lots of old Greeks still running around. >As for reliable representations of Alexander's image, I'd suppose the >coinage commissioned by Ptolemy and others of Alexander's immediate >successors who knew him personally might bear some reliable resemblance, >though most any representation I suppose was expected to be some-what >god-like, yes?? I never did like that famous mozaic image, on the horse, >Beucephal (sp?)I guess. >Has anyone read the Peter Green Alexander of Macedon??? And what about >Anna Apostolou's "A Murder in Macedon- A Mystery of Alexander the Great." >Must be another novel. >Best Regards, > >Bob Taft >The Taft Ranch >(307) 332-2352 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "paolo araya" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 3:37 PM >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > > > > Hey Bob, I think you are right! Since I got interested about some of >things > > concerned to Alexander, I've been wondering if in some way we lived some > > lifetimes in that period. > > > > About the titles of those books you named, do you think they are really > > interesting, and most of all, do they have some accuracy about what >really > > hapenned? > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > Paolo > > > > > > >From: "Bob Taft" > > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:38:24 -0700 > > > > > >Hey thanks Wullie; I think William Wallace was a first-rate Greek >too!!! > > >And personally, I've always preferred Heracles over Hercules. > > >You know it was after the kings of Scots became Kings of England and > > >Scotland and the Stewarts outdid the Tudors and others before them in >evil > > >ways that my ancestors among many others in "the great migration" got >out > > >of > > >Scotland and the British isles. There may have been other countries >that > > >attained a measure of freedom before the US but none were ever allowed >the > > >freedom to create and keep wealth to the extent that made America a >beacon > > >of hope in an oppressed world. People still flock into the US not > > >realizing > > >that we are once again being ground down under the British (Guelph) >heel. > > >In fact they never gave up total control over our monetary system which >by > > >itself is the key to freedom/slavery everywhere. Interesting to note >that > > >Robert the Bruce kept out of things until the commoner Wallace had been > > >silenced. I wonder if Oleg has created a temple for William Wallace; >I'll > > >bet he has. > > >Anyway, Paolo, among things I have on Alexander are Arrian's Campaigns >of > > >Alexander, and Wallis Budge's Life and Exploits of Alexander the Great, >in > > >Greek and english. And here's a modern work with lots of illustrations >by > > >Frank Lipsius, Alexander the Great, from 1974. And a couple cheaper >works. > > >But I will look for Manfredi's work. > > >In alldirect.com if you look for "Alexander of Macedon" they have two > > >titles, including the Peter Green Alexander the Great, but if you look > > >under > > >"Alexander the Great" they have 14 titles, mostly of very recent >origin. > > >There seems to be quite a revival of interest in Alexander. Wonderful. > > >One thing is sure; anyone who takes an interest in all this doubtless >lived > > >a few lifetimes in the Greece/Macedonia of Alexander. > > > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > >Bob Taft > > >The Taft Ranch > > >(307) 332-2352 > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "walsmfc" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:09 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > > > > > > > > > > dear Bob, > > > > > > > > you can also rely on an American to bring America into a discussion > > >about > > > > something that is nothing to do with that country. I believe that >some > > > > other countries gained their freedom before yours did > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Wullie > > > > > > > > btaft@wyoming.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > I fully agree Lynda-Marie in that Alexander died of no natural > > > > > cause. He upset too many apple carts in his short life cycle. >Just > > > > > look at the USA and the several presidents who have interfered >with > > > > > the plans of the money changers: Lincoln, Garfield, Kennedy. > > > > > Additionally some who thwarted money-changers' plans but weren't > > > > > executed like Madison, Jackson, Taft, but found political/economic > > > > > dificulties thrown in their paths. The history of political > > > > > dominance is strewn with the bodies of potential threats, women >and > > > > > children included, whole families wiped out. Anyone like >Alexander > > > > > who had more than personal greed as his motivator, who might have > > > > > spread Greek republican principles abroad was a real threat to the > > > > > status quo. What if he'd set a precedent for offering a freer >life > > > > > for the struggling masses; parish the thought!!! Not until 1775, a > > > > > half a world away, did Freedom again rear it's threatening head. >And > > > > > now we're headed right back into political servitude, our Republic > > > > > having been killed off in the second decade of this 20th century. > > > > > Bob Taft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/5/_/22834/_/974950073/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:19:36 -0700 From: "Bob Taft" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: Most anything about Alexander is interesting to old Greeks like us. How reliable it all is I don't know. The first thing I read outside of high school history was Plutarch's Lives... which I love. That E. A. Wallis Budge work I mentioned is from Ethiopic manuscripts from I believe around the 14th or 15th century AD. Arrian was much closer, writing perhaps 3 or 4 hundred years after Alexander. I'd still like to read that Manfredi work some day if I find it (in English). Among other novelists in recent days we have of course Mary Renault (a nom de plume I believe), who made an interesting story but also to me took great literary license in her work. No doubt another old Greek. Yes, you can bet we were all old Greeks. Alexander had huge armies. Actually the only thing I'm sure of in my own time track was right after the Macedonian/Greek invasion I had a short, karmic life cycle in India, eaten by a tiger at age 2, my parents searching the river for me thinking I'd drowned, not knowing about the tiger. He crunched right through my 2-year old head. India had her revenge for whatever part I played in her territorial violation as part of Alexander's army. Yes, John Popovic's Alexander site is excellent. I'd seen it before. There are an amazing number of Alexander sites on the web. As I said, Alexander had huge armies; lots of old Greeks still running around. As for reliable representations of Alexander's image, I'd suppose the coinage commissioned by Ptolemy and others of Alexander's immediate successors who knew him personally might bear some reliable resemblance, though most any representation I suppose was expected to be some-what god-like, yes?? I never did like that famous mozaic image, on the horse, Beucephal (sp?)I guess. Has anyone read the Peter Green Alexander of Macedon??? And what about Anna Apostolou's "A Murder in Macedon- A Mystery of Alexander the Great." Must be another novel. Best Regards, Bob Taft The Taft Ranch (307) 332-2352 ----- Original Message ----- From: "paolo araya" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > Hey Bob, I think you are right! Since I got interested about some of things > concerned to Alexander, I've been wondering if in some way we lived some > lifetimes in that period. > > About the titles of those books you named, do you think they are really > interesting, and most of all, do they have some accuracy about what really > hapenned? > > Thanks a lot. > > Paolo > > > >From: "Bob Taft" > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:38:24 -0700 > > > >Hey thanks Wullie; I think William Wallace was a first-rate Greek too!!! > >And personally, I've always preferred Heracles over Hercules. > >You know it was after the kings of Scots became Kings of England and > >Scotland and the Stewarts outdid the Tudors and others before them in evil > >ways that my ancestors among many others in "the great migration" got out > >of > >Scotland and the British isles. There may have been other countries that > >attained a measure of freedom before the US but none were ever allowed the > >freedom to create and keep wealth to the extent that made America a beacon > >of hope in an oppressed world. People still flock into the US not > >realizing > >that we are once again being ground down under the British (Guelph) heel. > >In fact they never gave up total control over our monetary system which by > >itself is the key to freedom/slavery everywhere. Interesting to note that > >Robert the Bruce kept out of things until the commoner Wallace had been > >silenced. I wonder if Oleg has created a temple for William Wallace; I'll > >bet he has. > >Anyway, Paolo, among things I have on Alexander are Arrian's Campaigns of > >Alexander, and Wallis Budge's Life and Exploits of Alexander the Great, in > >Greek and english. And here's a modern work with lots of illustrations by > >Frank Lipsius, Alexander the Great, from 1974. And a couple cheaper works. > >But I will look for Manfredi's work. > >In alldirect.com if you look for "Alexander of Macedon" they have two > >titles, including the Peter Green Alexander the Great, but if you look > >under > >"Alexander the Great" they have 14 titles, mostly of very recent origin. > >There seems to be quite a revival of interest in Alexander. Wonderful. > >One thing is sure; anyone who takes an interest in all this doubtless lived > >a few lifetimes in the Greece/Macedonia of Alexander. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Bob Taft > >The Taft Ranch > >(307) 332-2352 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "walsmfc" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:09 PM > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death > > > > > > > dear Bob, > > > > > > you can also rely on an American to bring America into a discussion > >about > > > something that is nothing to do with that country. I believe that some > > > other countries gained their freedom before yours did > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Wullie > > > > > > btaft@wyoming.com wrote: > > > > > > > I fully agree Lynda-Marie in that Alexander died of no natural > > > > cause. He upset too many apple carts in his short life cycle. Just > > > > look at the USA and the several presidents who have interfered with > > > > the plans of the money changers: Lincoln, Garfield, Kennedy. > > > > Additionally some who thwarted money-changers' plans but weren't > > > > executed like Madison, Jackson, Taft, but found political/economic > > > > dificulties thrown in their paths. The history of political > > > > dominance is strewn with the bodies of potential threats, women and > > > > children included, whole families wiped out. Anyone like Alexander > > > > who had more than personal greed as his motivator, who might have > > > > spread Greek republican principles abroad was a real threat to the > > > > status quo. What if he'd set a precedent for offering a freer life > > > > for the struggling masses; parish the thought!!! Not until 1775, a > > > > half a world away, did Freedom again rear it's threatening head. And > > > > now we're headed right back into political servitude, our Republic > > > > having been killed off in the second decade of this 20th century. > > > > Bob Taft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974945937/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:31:48 +0000 From: jpopovic Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com 1. Manfredi made a good job, although too much novelistic. 2. Three artists were officialy appointed by Alexander: ( PLINII NATURALIS HISTORIAE) a) Lysippos (or Lysippus) - sculptures in bronze http://www.1stmuse.com/album/Lysippus.html b) Apelles - paintings c) Pyrgoteles - marble sculptures and cameos ( idem hic imperator edixit ne quis ipsum alius quam Apelles pingeret, quam Pyrgoteles scalperet, quam Lysippus ex aere duceret quae artes pluribus inclaruere exemplis. PLINII NATURALIS HISTORIAE - liber VII) paolo araya wrote: > Mr. Popovic: Since I got interested in Alexander, I started searching for > more information about him on the web. At last, I found your page, which I > believe is the most complete, easy to use, and also, where you can see a lot > of portraits. > > There are some other pages, but they lack of information, or are very > idealistic. For example, I believe that Alexander was not gay, as some may > point out. But these people really don't understand the culture of that > time, and I believe they use his name just to feel better about themselves. > > As you know, I read the Manfredi's work, have you? Do you think he made a > good job? or too much novelistic and less attached to reality? > > Another thing. About the portraits, I understand that Lyssipo was the only > person Alexander permitted to create statues of himself. In fact, you took > pictures of Alexander and Aristotle statues, as I saw at your media and > synopsys work, which were made by Lyssipo. > > But there are so many pictures of statues in the portrait section, that they > are merely described as alex13, alex34, alex28, etc. How can I guess which > ones were made by Lissipo? Because in that way, I can really have a real > clue about how he looked. I don't think is accurate to be influenced by > copies that were made 100 o 200 years after his death. That is why there are > so many differences in the portraits. Obviously, you can guess inmediately > which are really showing him as he was, but really knowing which were made > by Lyssipo would be of help. > > And by the way, I can only think of you about asking the museums that have > those Lyssipo's statues. > > Thanks a lot for your attention and help! > > Paolo. > > >From: jpopovic > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > >To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:09:46 +0000 > > > >visit ... http://1stmuse.com/frames/ > > > >Bob Taft wrote: > > > > > Thanks Paolo, I'll have to look for those books. Sounds like a treasure > > > trove of information on Alexander. Neither alldirect or amazon list > > > Manfredi's books so I'll have to look elsewhere. You've gotten me > > > interested in digging into Alexander again. > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Bob Taft > > > The Taft Ranch > > > (307) 332-2352 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "paolo araya" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > Bob, in fact, that is the one book I've ever read about Alexander. It > >is > > > > really three books, and as far as I know, this author travelled and > > > studied > > > > a lot of things about him. But, lets say, in Amazon, you can only find > >one > > > > of the books. I really don't remember its name. In fact, I read the > >three > > > of > > > > them because where I live (Costa Rica) they have them all in spanish. > > > Their > > > > names are: "El hijo del sueño"(The dream's son), "Las arenas de Amon" > > > (Sands > > > > of Amon), and "El confin del mundo" (The border of the world). > > > > Anyway, I hope that you can find them all in alldirect.com. Its > >narrative > > > is > > > > excellent, and you can't stop reading those 1000+ pages. > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bob Taft" > > > > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:45:47 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Now that's one I've not heard Paolo, about the dog. Haven't read > > > anything > > > > >of Alexander in years. Saw a book about him the other day I've not > >read > > > so > > > > >will have to send for it. (From www.alldirect.com). If I find out > > > > >anything > > > > >about the dog Peritas I'll pass it on. That Manfredi book sounds > > > > >interesting; haven't seen it advertised. > > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > >Bob Taft > > > > >The Taft Ranch > > > > >(307) 332-2352 > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "paolo araya" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:06 AM > > > > >Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a book written by Valerio Massimo Manfredi, who said that > > > > >Alexander, > > > > > > since he was a young boy, had a dog called "Peritas". He described > >a > > > lot > > > > >of > > > > > > events related to this unconditional friend of Alexander, that > > > > >eventually > > > > > > saved his life in one of the battles. Is it true that Alexander > >had a > > > > >dog? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks four your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > _ > > > > >_________ > > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > > > _________ > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >------------------------------------- > >Dr. John Jan Popovic > >Analyst / Project Manager > >Micanet / Digest International > >tel: +3903283322970 > >fax: +390636303032 > >Via Madonna dei Monti 61 > >00184 Rome, Italy > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Micanet / Digest International tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974925432/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:31:48 +0000 From: jpopovic To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com 1. Manfredi made a good job, although too much novelistic. 2. Three artists were officialy appointed by Alexander: ( PLINII NATURALIS HISTORIAE) a) Lysippos (or Lysippus) - sculptures in bronze http://www.1stmuse.com/album/Lysippus.html b) Apelles - paintings c) Pyrgoteles - marble sculptures and cameos ( idem hic imperator edixit ne quis ipsum alius quam Apelles pingeret, quam Pyrgoteles scalperet, quam Lysippus ex aere duceret quae artes pluribus inclaruere exemplis. PLINII NATURALIS HISTORIAE - liber VII) paolo araya wrote: > Mr. Popovic: Since I got interested in Alexander, I started searching for > more information about him on the web. At last, I found your page, which I > believe is the most complete, easy to use, and also, where you can see a lot > of portraits. > > There are some other pages, but they lack of information, or are very > idealistic. For example, I believe that Alexander was not gay, as some may > point out. But these people really don't understand the culture of that > time, and I believe they use his name just to feel better about themselves. > > As you know, I read the Manfredi's work, have you? Do you think he made a > good job? or too much novelistic and less attached to reality? > > Another thing. About the portraits, I understand that Lyssipo was the only > person Alexander permitted to create statues of himself. In fact, you took > pictures of Alexander and Aristotle statues, as I saw at your media and > synopsys work, which were made by Lyssipo. > > But there are so many pictures of statues in the portrait section, that they > are merely described as alex13, alex34, alex28, etc. How can I guess which > ones were made by Lissipo? Because in that way, I can really have a real > clue about how he looked. I don't think is accurate to be influenced by > copies that were made 100 o 200 years after his death. That is why there are > so many differences in the portraits. Obviously, you can guess inmediately > which are really showing him as he was, but really knowing which were made > by Lyssipo would be of help. > > And by the way, I can only think of you about asking the museums that have > those Lyssipo's statues. > > Thanks a lot for your attention and help! > > Paolo. > > >From: jpopovic > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > >To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:09:46 +0000 > > > >visit ... http://1stmuse.com/frames/ > > > >Bob Taft wrote: > > > > > Thanks Paolo, I'll have to look for those books. Sounds like a treasure > > > trove of information on Alexander. Neither alldirect or amazon list > > > Manfredi's books so I'll have to look elsewhere. You've gotten me > > > interested in digging into Alexander again. > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Bob Taft > > > The Taft Ranch > > > (307) 332-2352 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "paolo araya" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > Bob, in fact, that is the one book I've ever read about Alexander. It > >is > > > > really three books, and as far as I know, this author travelled and > > > studied > > > > a lot of things about him. But, lets say, in Amazon, you can only find > >one > > > > of the books. I really don't remember its name. In fact, I read the > >three > > > of > > > > them because where I live (Costa Rica) they have them all in spanish. > > > Their > > > > names are: "El hijo del sueño"(The dream's son), "Las arenas de Amon" > > > (Sands > > > > of Amon), and "El confin del mundo" (The border of the world). > > > > Anyway, I hope that you can find them all in alldirect.com. Its > >narrative > > > is > > > > excellent, and you can't stop reading those 1000+ pages. > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bob Taft" > > > > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:45:47 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >Now that's one I've not heard Paolo, about the dog. Haven't read > > > anything > > > > >of Alexander in years. Saw a book about him the other day I've not > >read > > > so > > > > >will have to send for it. (From www.alldirect.com). If I find out > > > > >anything > > > > >about the dog Peritas I'll pass it on. That Manfredi book sounds > > > > >interesting; haven't seen it advertised. > > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > >Bob Taft > > > > >The Taft Ranch > > > > >(307) 332-2352 > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "paolo araya" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:06 AM > > > > >Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a book written by Valerio Massimo Manfredi, who said that > > > > >Alexander, > > > > > > since he was a young boy, had a dog called "Peritas". He described > >a > > > lot > > > > >of > > > > > > events related to this unconditional friend of Alexander, that > > > > >eventually > > > > > > saved his life in one of the battles. Is it true that Alexander > >had a > > > > >dog? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks four your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > _ > > > > >_________ > > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > > > _________ > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >------------------------------------- > >Dr. John Jan Popovic > >Analyst / Project Manager > >Micanet / Digest International > >tel: +3903283322970 > >fax: +390636303032 > >Via Madonna dei Monti 61 > >00184 Rome, Italy > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> > eLerts > It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! > http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974910476/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Micanet / Digest International tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:26:23 From: "paolo araya" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Mr. Popovic: Since I got interested in Alexander, I started searching for more information about him on the web. At last, I found your page, which I believe is the most complete, easy to use, and also, where you can see a lot of portraits. There are some other pages, but they lack of information, or are very idealistic. For example, I believe that Alexander was not gay, as some may point out. But these people really don't understand the culture of that time, and I believe they use his name just to feel better about themselves. As you know, I read the Manfredi's work, have you? Do you think he made a good job? or too much novelistic and less attached to reality? Another thing. About the portraits, I understand that Lyssipo was the only person Alexander permitted to create statues of himself. In fact, you took pictures of Alexander and Aristotle statues, as I saw at your media and synopsys work, which were made by Lyssipo. But there are so many pictures of statues in the portrait section, that they are merely described as alex13, alex34, alex28, etc. How can I guess which ones were made by Lissipo? Because in that way, I can really have a real clue about how he looked. I don't think is accurate to be influenced by copies that were made 100 o 200 years after his death. That is why there are so many differences in the portraits. Obviously, you can guess inmediately which are really showing him as he was, but really knowing which were made by Lyssipo would be of help. And by the way, I can only think of you about asking the museums that have those Lyssipo's statues. Thanks a lot for your attention and help! Paolo. >From: jpopovic >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com >To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:09:46 +0000 > >visit ... http://1stmuse.com/frames/ > >Bob Taft wrote: > > > Thanks Paolo, I'll have to look for those books. Sounds like a treasure > > trove of information on Alexander. Neither alldirect or amazon list > > Manfredi's books so I'll have to look elsewhere. You've gotten me > > interested in digging into Alexander again. > > Best Regards, > > > > Bob Taft > > The Taft Ranch > > (307) 332-2352 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "paolo araya" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > Bob, in fact, that is the one book I've ever read about Alexander. It >is > > > really three books, and as far as I know, this author travelled and > > studied > > > a lot of things about him. But, lets say, in Amazon, you can only find >one > > > of the books. I really don't remember its name. In fact, I read the >three > > of > > > them because where I live (Costa Rica) they have them all in spanish. > > Their > > > names are: "El hijo del sueño"(The dream's son), "Las arenas de Amon" > > (Sands > > > of Amon), and "El confin del mundo" (The border of the world). > > > Anyway, I hope that you can find them all in alldirect.com. Its >narrative > > is > > > excellent, and you can't stop reading those 1000+ pages. > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bob Taft" > > > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:45:47 -0700 > > > > > > > >Now that's one I've not heard Paolo, about the dog. Haven't read > > anything > > > >of Alexander in years. Saw a book about him the other day I've not >read > > so > > > >will have to send for it. (From www.alldirect.com). If I find out > > > >anything > > > >about the dog Peritas I'll pass it on. That Manfredi book sounds > > > >interesting; haven't seen it advertised. > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > > > >Bob Taft > > > >The Taft Ranch > > > >(307) 332-2352 > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "paolo araya" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:06 AM > > > >Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a book written by Valerio Massimo Manfredi, who said that > > > >Alexander, > > > > > since he was a young boy, had a dog called "Peritas". He described >a > > lot > > > >of > > > > > events related to this unconditional friend of Alexander, that > > > >eventually > > > > > saved his life in one of the battles. Is it true that Alexander >had a > > > >dog? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks four your help. > > > > > > > > > > Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > _ > > > >_________ > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > > _________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >------------------------------------- >Dr. John Jan Popovic >Analyst / Project Manager >Micanet / Digest International >tel: +3903283322970 >fax: +390636303032 >Via Madonna dei Monti 61 >00184 Rome, Italy > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974910476/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:45:24 -0700 From: "Bob Taft" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: Thanks Paolo, I'll have to look for those books. Sounds like a treasure trove of information on Alexander. Neither alldirect or amazon list Manfredi's books so I'll have to look elsewhere. You've gotten me interested in digging into Alexander again. Best Regards, Bob Taft The Taft Ranch (307) 332-2352 ----- Original Message ----- From: "paolo araya" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > Bob, in fact, that is the one book I've ever read about Alexander. It is > really three books, and as far as I know, this author travelled and studied > a lot of things about him. But, lets say, in Amazon, you can only find one > of the books. I really don't remember its name. In fact, I read the three of > them because where I live (Costa Rica) they have them all in spanish. Their > names are: "El hijo del sueño"(The dream's son), "Las arenas de Amon" (Sands > of Amon), and "El confin del mundo" (The border of the world). > Anyway, I hope that you can find them all in alldirect.com. Its narrative is > excellent, and you can't stop reading those 1000+ pages. > Greetings, > > Paolo > > > >From: "Bob Taft" > >Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:45:47 -0700 > > > >Now that's one I've not heard Paolo, about the dog. Haven't read anything > >of Alexander in years. Saw a book about him the other day I've not read so > >will have to send for it. (From www.alldirect.com). If I find out > >anything > >about the dog Peritas I'll pass it on. That Manfredi book sounds > >interesting; haven't seen it advertised. > >Best Regards, > > > >Bob Taft > >The Taft Ranch > >(307) 332-2352 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "paolo araya" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:06 AM > >Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog > > > > > > > I read a book written by Valerio Massimo Manfredi, who said that > >Alexander, > > > since he was a young boy, had a dog called "Peritas". He described a lot > >of > > > events related to this unconditional friend of Alexander, that > >eventually > > > saved his life in one of the battles. Is it true that Alexander had a > >dog? > > > > > > Thanks four your help. > > > > > > Paolo > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/5/_/22834/_/974839494/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] A question for the forum Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:05:40 +0000 From: walsmfc Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Organization: Netscape Online member To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Just a point, but a Macedonain would know him by his Greek name which was Alexandros (pardon the spelling). Another thing, King Arthur was english not british, we Scots think little of him and prefer William Wallace or Robert The Bruce Lynda-Marie wrote: > Hello one and all! > > I am rather new to this group, so please bear with a > newbie while I find my way around. > > I have not been able to find much good information > about Alexander. > > One thing I am wondering is this: Was Alexander by > blood considered to be Greek or Macedonian? I ask > this, because my friend's sister in law is from > Macedonia, and she has no idea WHO Alexander is! She > and her husband just had a baby, and I would love to > tell her that she has a wonderful history to tell her > son about. Much like the British have King Arthur, the > lucky Macedonians have Alexander. > > Considering that the communists buried all history but > their own "glorious" revolutions, and just about every > national hero in what became communist countries was > vilified as "Imperialists," it is small wonder this > poor woman does not know of her incredible heritage. > > It would be like an American citizen not knowing about > George Washington or any of the Founding Fathers. > > Thank you! > > Lynda-Marie, Newbie to the list > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974836106/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's dog Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:06:30 From: "paolo araya" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com I read a book written by Valerio Massimo Manfredi, who said that Alexander, since he was a young boy, had a dog called "Peritas". He described a lot of events related to this unconditional friend of Alexander, that eventually saved his life in one of the battles. Is it true that Alexander had a dog? Thanks four your help. Paolo _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/5/_/22834/_/974777709/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:00:25 -0000 From: btaft@wyoming.com Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com I fully agree Lynda-Marie in that Alexander died of no natural cause. He upset too many apple carts in his short life cycle. Just look at the USA and the several presidents who have interfered with the plans of the money changers: Lincoln, Garfield, Kennedy. Additionally some who thwarted money-changers' plans but weren't executed like Madison, Jackson, Taft, but found political/economic dificulties thrown in their paths. The history of political dominance is strewn with the bodies of potential threats, women and children included, whole families wiped out. Anyone like Alexander who had more than personal greed as his motivator, who might have spread Greek republican principles abroad was a real threat to the status quo. What if he'd set a precedent for offering a freer life for the struggling masses; parish the thought!!! Not until 1775, a half a world away, did Freedom again rear it's threatening head. And now we're headed right back into political servitude, our Republic having been killed off in the second decade of this 20th century. Bob Taft -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974761233/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] (unknown) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:52:27 GMT From: "paolo araya" Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com I'm very interested on the fact that pointed out Lynda Marie, related to the Macedonians and their lack of information about Alexander. Is there a Macedonian or anyone who is reading this that really has a clue about what is going on? Because I find it hard to believe that the Macedonians don't know about their legacy and heritage. And related to the latest e-mails sended, isn't it true that Alexander´s death is more related to his lifestyle of excess, never worrying about his health, obviously because of his age? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/5/_/22834/_/974735576/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexander's death and heritage Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:10:59 -0000 From: btaft@wyoming.com Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Well Lynda-Marie this is actually the first time I've found this site myself. I greatly appreciate Alexander's Temple site and the work Oleg has done. I sense some interesting insight there, particularly on the Q&A page. As to causes of Alexander's death, perhaps Hephestion's absence made it easier to poison him. Alexander considered himself a Greek, of royal lineage, while clods like Demosthenes called him a barbarian. Your Macedonian friend may find pride of association in Alexander. Today Macedonia seems to be a shattered remnant of what it was when Pella ruled. -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974509867/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] A question for the forum Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: Lynda-Marie Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Hello one and all! I am rather new to this group, so please bear with a newbie while I find my way around. I have not been able to find much good information about Alexander. One thing I am wondering is this: Was Alexander by blood considered to be Greek or Macedonian? I ask this, because my friend's sister in law is from Macedonia, and she has no idea WHO Alexander is! She and her husband just had a baby, and I would love to tell her that she has a wonderful history to tell her son about. Much like the British have King Arthur, the lucky Macedonians have Alexander. Considering that the communists buried all history but their own "glorious" revolutions, and just about every national hero in what became communist countries was vilified as "Imperialists," it is small wonder this poor woman does not know of her incredible heritage. It would be like an American citizen not knowing about George Washington or any of the Founding Fathers. Thank you! Lynda-Marie, Newbie to the list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/22834/_/974503335/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:13:44 -0800 (PST) From: Lynda-Marie Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com --- Bob Taft wrote: > Alexander was poisoned, not because he was a great > world conqueror, but > because he was a great freedom bringer, one who > over-threw dominance > systems, who put money hordes back into circulation, > one who preached > equality among diverse peoples, one who pursued his > own life-long quest for > knowledge and spiritual understanding. Had he any > choice in a burial site, > I'd expect he might have chosen Siwa. > Best Regards, > > Bob Taft > The Taft Ranch > (307) 332-2352 > > > >From what I understand, Bob, a good portion of Alexander's death could be attributed to losing Hephastion [sp?] (and Bucephalus earlier). Thus vulnerable, opportunistic underlings or revolutionaries in his conquered territories decided to do away with him. Just a thought! Lynda-Marie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/5/_/22834/_/974502827/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Re: Alexanders Body. The Great Captain General Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:55:27 -0000 From: mdroberts@cableinet.co.uk Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com --- In alexander-macedon@egroups.com, walsmfc wrote: > Dear Rick, > > thanks for the reply. I knew all of what you said and the reason Caesar refused > the offer of the sword, in my view backed up by what you yourself wrote was that > he felt unworthy of such an honour. But what really intrigues me is where is > the sarcophagus now? I don't know if you are aware of the fact that there is a > French expedition in the water at Alexandria lokking for the lighthouse and > Cleopatras palace and have been for the last two or three years. They have > found what they believe to be the palace so the question is - is the body of the > Great Man there? The way his luck ran the body will be in good condition and > the mysteries surrounding his life could be answered once anf for all. Hope > this message finds you well > > Yours Aye > > Wullie > > Richard Hogan wrote: > > > > > Hey how are you doing. > > As you probably already know Alexander Died in Babylon, in 323B.C.E at the > > age of 32. Well his Generals asked him a question on his death bed. > > Scholars and Historians do agree that the question asked was "Alexander, to > > whom do you leave your empire?" Who asked the question is not certain, but > > the answer was very simple and disturbing as well, > > "TO THE STRONGEST." Alexander was heard to have whispered before he died. > > (AGAIN DO THE RESEARCH, YOU WILL FIND IT) > > Well after preparing and dressing the body for travel, the army and generals > > voted and it was unanimous that Alexander was to be put to rest at the city > > he found, Alexandria. The funeral procession was purposely slow so that way > > people could follow or view the Great Captain General, ruler of the known > > world. > > Finally reaching Alexandria, Alexanders body was put into an air tight Glass > > coffin(how this coffin was made no one knows)and it was laid inside the > > great lighthouse, so those who wanted to pray and view a God, could simply > > walk in and see Alexander. > > > > Jumping ahead some 3 centuries, Queen Cleopatra, and Gaius Julius Ceasar > > were viewing the body of Alexander. > > Now according to Egyptian papyrus scrolls, Cleopatra did offer the sword of > > Alexander to Ceasar, what did Ceasar say? No one knows, but again you will > > have people say they do know and make up an answer they believe. My honest > > answer, we do not know but only can guess that Ceasar declined the offer; > > because how would you break into a air tight glass coffin without damaging > > the body? > > And Ceasar had to much respect and love to disturb the greatest King of > > Antiquity. > > REMEMBER NOW, while Ceasar was in Spain at age 32, he came across a Statue > > of the Great King and began to cry because he felt that he as a man had done > > nothing with his life, while Alexander when he dies at 32 was Conquerer of > > the known world. So what does that tell you about Alexander, if Ceasar > > cried. > > > > PLease i would not be offended at all if you desire to check up on what i > > told you. by all means please research whatever you doubt on what i have > > told you. > > > > By the way my friends call me Rick. > > > > until next time, have a good day. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: walsmfc [mailto:walsmfc@n...] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:09 PM > > To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] The Death of Alexander > > > > Dear Richard > > > > I agree with you. Could you tell me what happened to the body. Did > > Cleopatra > > have it when she was alive and did she offer his sword to Ceasar? > > > > Yours Aye > > > > Wullie > > > > Richard Hogan wrote: > > > > > > > > It was a combination of things that got Alexander the Third at the end of > > > his life, on June 10 323B.C.E. > > > That is the truth! But of course you always have somebody who will say > > that > > > his or her answer is the right one, but be honest with yourself and just > > > know that Alexander the Great did so much in his short life, that wounds > > > from battle, drinking heavily with his friends and lover, always pushing > > > himself to the edge, an unlimited urge to conquer the world, and even his > > > violent temper, contributed to his untimely death at the age of 32. DO THE > > > RESEARCH, and you will find that even after his death, priests prayed to > > the > > > gods and asked if it was ok for mortals to handle the body of a god. Well > > > once they were "given permission" they went to the body and found that it > > > did not even start to decay. It was as if, Alexander was asleep in > > terminal > > > coma. He looked asleep instead of looking dead! > > > Which concludes a very strong possibility of Arsenic poison. Very > > possible, > > > not confirmed. But on the other hand, no one is absolutely saying that he > > > was or was not poisoned. > > > > > > For me personally I tend to take everything in and use the information > > that > > > have, to draw my own theory of what killed Alexander the Great. As for > > > Malaria or Typhoid fever killing him it is very possible, and I strongly > > > agree with the evidence given that from his drinking habit, he contracted > > a > > > fever and then fell into acoma later in the day. That plus his life style > > > in general took its toll, and finally destroying one of the great Generals > > > of History. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: overwhelming@a... [mailto:overwhelming@a...] > > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:21 AM > > > To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > > Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Cause of death > > > > > > Hey ppl, does anyone happen to know which one was the real cause of > > > Alexander's death, was malaria or typhoid fever? > > > Thanks Dear Richard regarding the intended burial place of Alexander it is far from the case that all his officers agreed to his burial in Alexandria.The evidence points to the fact that it was intended his body be taken back to Macedonia but it was highjacked on the way by Ptolemy.And indeed that this act of piracy was one of the factors leading to the first of the Successor wars.If you want chapter and verse on this myself and a friend have written a book on the Successors of Alexander which we have put on the Web.You can see it on http://ourworld.compuserve.co.uk/bobbbennett -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/5/_/22834/_/974487339/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: thanks Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:45:04 EST From: Isophia@aol.com To: cddigest@1stmuse.com thank you for the info on alex the great.....victoria carillo --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander the great Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:20:49 +0000 From: jpopovic To: clayton classifed Plesase, do read carefully http://1stmuse.com/frames/index.html clayton classifed wrote: > Hi my name is Clayton Kolarik. I am a sophomore at northport high > school. I am doing a report on Alexander the Great and i am hoping you > could help me out. If you could please answer my question's or forward to > somebody that could I would deeply appreciate it. > > 1. Alexander was taught by the great teacher Aristotle you taught > peaceful ways's what made Alexander stray from these methods and become a > violent marauder? > > 2. Was Alexander only seeking power and land when he ventured eastwards or > was he after something else? > > 3. After tacking the throne at the tender age of 20 why did the people > respect him. > > I am also wondering if you know any interesting facts of conspiracies of > any intriguing information on him If you do that also interests me. > I thank you very much for your time. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Micanet / Digest International tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander the great Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:23:12 GMT From: "clayton classifed" To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Hi my name is Clayton Kolarik. I am a sophomore at northport high school. I am doing a report on Alexander the Great and i am hoping you could help me out. If you could please answer my question's or forward to somebody that could I would deeply appreciate it. 1. Alexander was taught by the great teacher Aristotle you taught peaceful ways's what made Alexander stray from these methods and become a violent marauder? 2. Was Alexander only seeking power and land when he ventured eastwards or was he after something else? 3. After tacking the throne at the tender age of 20 why did the people respect him. I am also wondering if you know any interesting facts of conspiracies of any intriguing information on him If you do that also interests me. I thank you very much for your time. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Grandmaster Roger Peyrefitte Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:29:29 -0400 From: "B. John Zavrel" To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Dear John Popovich, sorry to have missed you the other day when you called. In the meantime, Grandmaster's death was confirmed by his secretary Alexandre de Villlier in Paris, and we have prepared a brief article for the press. http://www.meaus.com/AlexanderOrder.html We will prepare a letter informing our members a little later on. Thanks for informing us, and we will stay in touch. Best regards, John Zavrel Chancellor 10.11.2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander III Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:13:41 +0000 From: jpopovic To: Dustin Delegarde Thank You for your kind compliments! Dustin Delegarde wrote: > Dear John, > > I visited your website researching for an essay, and wasn't expecting too > much information that I didn't already know. Not only was your page concise, > but completely unbiased. I had to congratulate you on this fantastic > accomplishment. Keep up the good work > > Dustin Delegarde > Seaway District High School > Iroquois, Ontario, Canada > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. -- ------------------------------------- Dr. John Jan Popovic Analyst / Project Manager Micanet / Digest International tel: +3903283322970 fax: +390636303032 Via Madonna dei Monti 61 00184 Rome, Italy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 01:50:58 GMT From: "Dustin Delegarde" To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Dear John, I visited your website researching for an essay, and wasn't expecting too much information that I didn't already know. Not only was your page concise, but completely unbiased. I had to congratulate you on this fantastic accomplishment. Keep up the good work Dustin Delegarde Seaway District High School Iroquois, Ontario, Canada _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: image reproduction Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:14:36 -0500 (EST) From: Mangesh Dutt Hattikudur To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com CC: William Edward Pearson Dear Mr. Popovich, I'm writing to you to ask for permission to use some of the images I found on your web site. My friends and I are launching a publication [a liberal arts magazine called Mental Floss] this January, and in it we're doing an article on Alexander the Great. We were looking for images of Alexander all over the web, and we found that you have quite a stash of wonderful photos on your page. Particularly, the mosaic images on your site (especially the mosaic close up under Spring 334) seem like they would complement our article ideally. Please realize that we're college students planning to distribute about 2000 copies of the magazine for free on and around the Duke University campus, and we're planning on test-marketing the other 8,000. Of course, we'd really love your help, and we'll be happy to credit the image to the appropriate party. Please mark an x by the permission request below, if you're willing to let us use the images. Thanks for your time. Sincerely, Mangesh Hattikudur Associate Editor, Mental Floss [ ] I grant Mental Floss Magazine permission to reproduce and distribute the Alexander mosaic images discussed in the letter above. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alexander the Great. Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:18:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Supernova2112@webtv.net (Manuel Chavez) To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com (jpopovic) Thank you for clearing that up. His stature as the greatest general in the history of warfare is more secure in my own mind now. Thanks for the history lesson. Manuel J. Chavez --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alexander the Great. Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:00:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Supernova2112@webtv.net (Manuel Chavez) To: cddigest@1stmuse.com I have heard many rumors that Alexander was gay, or bisexual. This article puts Alexander in a moral light. Was he a devoted husband as stated? Thank you. Manuel J. Chavez. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:57:45 -0400 From: "Georgia Filis" To: mr. popovic, as per response to my complaint, i know that the majority of the info you have on makedonia is of greek texts, but i also know that the other texts are all based on their own assumptions to its' history. i have read many of texts on this issue and i do not read any texts of other people who are not of greek origins. for they try to deny its greekness and they do not make sense. so thart is why i sent you a complaint. i know the majority of the stuff you went on is from greek books but the others i do not accept. i know that there are many people out there who want to deny the truth and i am here to remind people os the truth and no one can ever take that away from us. the english; i do not but word they have been against us many a times. they did take back to england the marbles and as of the germans. they had hitler. so i do not read any of them.... pls do not be insulted. thank you.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gaugamela Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 15:42:27 +0000 From: "John J. Popovic" To: jjp@1stmuse.com http://www.wargamer.com/greatbattles/gaugamela.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- Enjoy our FREE services? Please click on our sponsor's ad. [Image] [gboa.jpg (3687 bytes)] [gboh.jpg (6838 bytes)] [gboc.jpg (4446 bytes)] The Battle of Gaugamela 331 BCE [guag.jpg (9005 bytes)] Home The Games The Forum Scenarios Related Info "Never were dispositions better taken to resist the attacks of the enemy at all points; never on the field were openings more quickly seized; never was threatening disaster more skillfully retrieved…The world will never see more splendid tactics." Lieutenant-Colonel Theodore Dodge The battle that was the Waterloo of the Persian Empire has been the source of historic myth for centuries. Arrian, in his The Campaigns of Alexander, estimates the Persian army at Guagamala as 1,000,000 infantry, 40000 cavalry, 200 scythe-chariots, and a few elephants. Alexander has 7000 cavalry and about 40000 infantry. No elephants! When the battle was over and Alexander was victorious there lay on the field of battle about 300,000 Persians. Persian prisoners greatly exceeded that number. On the Macedonian side about 100 men were killed. Arrian notes that over 1000 horses, most of them from the Companions, died either from wounds or from exhaustion, chasing the Persians in the rout! There is no mention of whether the elephants were among the casualties. Gau Gamela - "The grazing place of the camel." A plain near the Tigris River, south of the ancient hamlet of Tell Gomel, east of modern day Mosul. Such numbers on the Persian side, both casualties and combatants, are scarcely to be believed but one thing is certain. Alexander won a tremendous victory against overwhelming odds and in the game simulation you will have to play like Alexander to achieve a victory. First some brief historical notes. Alexander by the spring of 331 had beaten the Persians at Granicus, and Issus. He had successfully concluded the siege of Tyre and had destroyed Persian sea power by taking the bases from where that sea power sprung. Egypt was his and he had been declared a god by the wily priests of Egypt who probably believed their own pronouncements, especially the part of his coming world conquest. So now it was time to march north from Egypt and finish off Darius and his courageous but somewhat overmatched soldiers. He crossed the Euphrates at Thapsacus in August and continued eastward across northwestern Mesopotamia (modern Iraq). The eventual target was Babylon down the Tigris which would take care of logistical problems. Darius figured the move and massed a huge army on a plain north-east of the middle Tigris. With his tremendous superiority in cavalry and overwhelming size he hoped to crush and envelop the flanks of the much smaller Macedonian army. The plain would give his army the maneuvering room it needed to get the most out of its mobility. Alexander was on the field at the end of September carefully evaluating the Persian dispositions and weighing the merits of various plans of action. Then when he was ready he took the field. The date was October 1, 331 B.C. The night before, the Persians had stood to arms fearing a night attack. Parmenion even urged Alexander to launch such an attack but Alexander, true to his god like status said, "I will not demean myself by stealing victory like a thief. Alexander must defeat his enemies openly and honestly." Why risk a night attack when your own perceptions of the battle have given you a plan that holds the promise of victory but where the light of day would be essential in its execution? The first image we see the battle plan of Alexander. For a better view I recommend Warfare in the Classical World by John Warry whose excellent work is must reading. The formation Alexander envisaged had his left flank refused with the whole front line in echelon. The force would advance toward the Persian left and with the fine troops on the Macedonian right would crush opposition by achieving a sort of qualitative local superiority. If the Persians were to force the issue and try to take the Macedonian army in the flank or rear then the infantry stationed on the right flank and rear could be used to thwart this maneuver. In short the formation, a rough diamond, was designed for a mobile offence but well adapted for defense. Darius had prepared the plain for chariot activity and was counting on his 200 scythed chariots to be a major factor in the battle. Thus, when he saw Alexander commence the battle late in the morning by moving toward the Persian left Darius was concerned. Alexander had awakened quite late much to the astonishment of his generals. He was so confident in his plan that he certainly had not lost any sleep over the battle once the significant points were fixed in his genius military mind. Darius had probably been up most of the night along with his troops because of the fear of a possible night action and were really not in top condition. When that maneuver to the Persian left started Darius thought he was losing the opportunity to use his dreaded chariots and ordered Bessus to start the flanking move with the masses of cavalry on that flank. Also the chariots were ordered into battle. On the Persian right Mazeus was then ordered to start developing his attack against Parmenion's forces. However these forces were angled from the main battle line because of the echelon formation and it would take awhile before the Persian attack with very heavy numbers could make itself fully felt. The second diagram shows how all these actions resolved themselves. First, the chariots had no effect on the Macedonians who were too well drilled to be affected by such archaic engines of war. The skirmishers simply destroyed many of them and the few that got through were met by opened ranks and passed harmlessly through the flexible formations. In the rear they were disposed of with no trouble. The three critical maneuvers of the battle though were evolving. Bessus, on the Persian left could not turn the Macedonian flank and was met by the Old Mercenary Guard under Cleander. Mazeus, although causing much havoc on the Macedonian left could not quite break Parmenion although Parmenion would later call for help from Alexander. Right now though as the battle was developing Parmenion and Mazeus were engaged in a very vicious battle where the Macedonians were just holding. As Bessus battled on the Macedonian right more Persian horse from the Persian left joined him. This caused a separation in the Persian line. Alexander ordered a general advance, put the Companions (Hetaroi) into a diamond formation and charged for the gap which happened to be a little to the left of where Darius was stationed. The phalanx followed and Darius, after witnessing his charioteer being speared through the throat, realized that death was eminent and fled the field. Alexander took off in pursuit. Bessus started a withdrawal upon seeing Darius flee. Some Persians did managed to get through a gap made by the phalanxes in their advance and sacked the Macedonian camp which was about 4 miles back. It would have definitely been better had they turned on the rear of the phalanxes as any good Great Battles player knows. At any rate they were eventually annihilated when the companions came back with Alexander. Parmenion, even though he sent messengers to Alexander to come to his aid, was able to halt Mazeus' valiant attempts to force the flank. When Mazeus found out that once again as he had done at Issus Darius had fled the field he disengaged. Thus ended the battle which resulted in the conquest of the Persian Empire, the death of 300,000 Persians, and the loss of 1000 Macedonian horses. Sources, Further Reading and Illustration Credits Warfare in the Classical WorldWarfare in the Classical World John Warry University of Oklahoma Press, 1995 ISBN 0-8061-2794-5 Warfare in the Ancient World by Sir John Hackett Alexander the Great and His Time by Agnes Savill The Campaigns of Alexander Arrianus Flavius Viking Press, 1976 ISBN 0140442537 The Army of Alexander the Great Nick Sekunda (Osprey-Men at Arms Series) Stackpole Books, 1984 ISBN 0850455391 The Game Favored Side: Persian Suitability for Solitaire: Good as the Macedonian, Poor as the Persian. (Play the Macs and turn up the difficulty for a challenge) Suitability for Multiplayer: Poor Strategy - Macedonian Your cavalry is severely outnumbered, particularly on the flanks. Assume a defensive posture, hope that your archers can pick off a leader or two, and look for an opportunity where you might gain a local advantage and exploit the weak spot. Strategy - Persian Move up the chariot and elephants in the center to keep the Macedonian's honest, but your strenght lies in the massive cavalry advantange on the flanks. Avoid attacking the strong Macedonian infantry in the center, instead, eliminate the cavalry first, then attack the phalanx from the rear. Be patient, and this will be an easy victory with room to spare. Macedonians Persians TQ Size TQ Size Phalanx1 57 13500 Heavy Infantry 25 1900 Light Infantry 55 5500 30 3500 Skirmishers 5 200 19 1000 Total Infantry 142 21100 49 4500 Heavy Calvary 84 4100 161 11500 Light Calvary 29 2100 147 12500 Lancers 21 1000 84 7000 Total Calvary 134 7200 292 31000 Chariots 24 200 Elephants 9 45 Grand Totals 276 28300 274 35745 Morale Level 54% 63% Rout Level 150 175 Leaders and Initiative Ratings Alexander III 7 Nabarzanes 5 Parmenion 5 Mazeus 4 Craterus 5 Bessus 4 Cleander 3 Darius III 3 Erigyus 3 Omares 3 Balcrus 3 Phrataphernes3 Sitalces 3 Barsaentes 3 Nicanor 2 Atropates 2 Bupares 2 Pharnaces 2 Total 31 31 Notes 1. Greek hoplite units two-hex e HI and are listed as phalanx to distinguish them from standard HI. [The ultimate content choice in war and strategy gaming....] [Related Games and Sections] [Go] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (c) 1999 TM Interactive Publishing. All Rights Reserved. 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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:54:05 EDT From: HCtiger112@aol.com To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com what is the date of the creation of your website on "Alexander the Great" thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] My friend how are you. Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:15:04 -0700 From: Richard Hogan Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: "'alexander-macedon@egroups.com'" -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9067/14/_/22834/_/969339628/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Yes i did know the Ceasar did refuse the sword, because he felt unworthy of such an honour, i strongly believe and i have found references pertaining too the reason why Ceasar cried at a statue of the Great Alexander when he was in Spain. Ceasar realized that he could never be another Alexander, or measure up to what what Alexander did with in his short life. Knowing that, and knowing how much Alexander did with his short life, Ceasar just cried in admiration and in a somewhat of a jealous state of mind. JUst think about it for a minute if you will, knowing that Alexander became a king at 20, starting an invasion of Persia at 21-picking up where his father King Phillip II left off-and conquering the known world before he reached the age of 33; I too would feel jealous and i would cry. Honestly i thinking people in general want to be a, Alexander the Great in their own private life. I must admit that i have been dreaming about becoming a Alexander the Great, of course i do not have an army, or any political influence do to so. Lastly i like to say, is that Alexander was 23 when he fought King Darius III at the battle of Issus. and i am only 24 and i have done nothing with my life yet, i am still going to college. But i would not mind being in his place. Yes i was aware of a French expedition around Alexandria, is it not some 20 miles from the shoreline, of Egypt? Where they believe the Lighthouse sank into the Meditteranian Sea? Hopefully the body of the great man will still be perserved,, but i must expect the worst in this case, counting on water erosion and centuries under harsh conditions the body could collapse into dust if the coffin is found and opened. Who knows what freash air will do to a body that has been sealed up for ever. Persaonally, i say if they do find it, leave it where it is. Maybe Alexander does not want anyone to disturb his sleep. Besides does he not continue to live on? Take care my friend until next time Rick. if you would like to have my personal email her it is, arthur400@yahoo.com -----Original Message----- From: walsmfc [mailto:walsmfc@netscapeonline.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:06 AM To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexanders Body. The Great Captain General Dear Rick, thanks for the reply. I knew all of what you said and the reason Caesar refused the offer of the sword, in my view backed up by what you yourself wrote was that he felt unworthy of such an honour. But what really intrigues me is where is the sarcophagus now? I don't know if you are aware of the fact that there is a French expedition in the water at Alexandria lokking for the lighthouse and Cleopatras palace and have been for the last two or three years. They have found what they believe to be the palace so the question is - is the body of the Great Man there? The way his luck ran the body will be in good condition and the mysteries surrounding his life could be answered once anf for all. Hope this message finds you well Yours Aye Wullie Richard Hogan wrote: > > Hey how are you doing. > As you probably already know Alexander Died in Babylon, in 323B.C.E at the > age of 32. Well his Generals asked him a question on his death bed. > Scholars and Historians do agree that the question asked was "Alexander, to > whom do you leave your empire?" Who asked the question is not certain, but > the answer was very simple and disturbing as well, > "TO THE STRONGEST." Alexander was heard to have whispered before he died. > (AGAIN DO THE RESEARCH, YOU WILL FIND IT) > Well after preparing and dressing the body for travel, the army and generals > voted and it was unanimous that Alexander was to be put to rest at the city > he found, Alexandria. The funeral procession was purposely slow so that way > people could follow or view the Great Captain General, ruler of the known > world. > Finally reaching Alexandria, Alexanders body was put into an air tight Glass > coffin(how this coffin was made no one knows)and it was laid inside the > great lighthouse, so those who wanted to pray and view a God, could simply > walk in and see Alexander. > > Jumping ahead some 3 centuries, Queen Cleopatra, and Gaius Julius Ceasar > were viewing the body of Alexander. > Now according to Egyptian papyrus scrolls, Cleopatra did offer the sword of > Alexander to Ceasar, what did Ceasar say? No one knows, but again you will > have people say they do know and make up an answer they believe. My honest > answer, we do not know but only can guess that Ceasar declined the offer; > because how would you break into a air tight glass coffin without damaging > the body? > And Ceasar had to much respect and love to disturb the greatest King of > Antiquity. > REMEMBER NOW, while Ceasar was in Spain at age 32, he came across a Statue > of the Great King and began to cry because he felt that he as a man had done > nothing with his life, while Alexander when he dies at 32 was Conquerer of > the known world. So what does that tell you about Alexander, if Ceasar > cried. > > PLease i would not be offended at all if you desire to check up on what i > told you. by all means please research whatever you doubt on what i have > told you. > > By the way my friends call me Rick. > > until next time, have a good day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: walsmfc [mailto:walsmfc@netscapeonline.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:09 PM > To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] The Death of Alexander > > Dear Richard > > I agree with you. Could you tell me what happened to the body. Did > Cleopatra > have it when she was alive and did she offer his sword to Ceasar? > > Yours Aye > > Wullie > > Richard Hogan wrote: > > > > > It was a combination of things that got Alexander the Third at the end of > > his life, on June 10 323B.C.E. > > That is the truth! But of course you always have somebody who will say > that > > his or her answer is the right one, but be honest with yourself and just > > know that Alexander the Great did so much in his short life, that wounds > > from battle, drinking heavily with his friends and lover, always pushing > > himself to the edge, an unlimited urge to conquer the world, and even his > > violent temper, contributed to his untimely death at the age of 32. DO THE > > RESEARCH, and you will find that even after his death, priests prayed to > the > > gods and asked if it was ok for mortals to handle the body of a god. Well > > once they were "given permission" they went to the body and found that it > > did not even start to decay. It was as if, Alexander was asleep in > terminal > > coma. He looked asleep instead of looking dead! > > Which concludes a very strong possibility of Arsenic poison. Very > possible, > > not confirmed. But on the other hand, no one is absolutely saying that he > > was or was not poisoned. > > > > For me personally I tend to take everything in and use the information > that > > have, to draw my own theory of what killed Alexander the Great. As for > > Malaria or Typhoid fever killing him it is very possible, and I strongly > > agree with the evidence given that from his drinking habit, he contracted > a > > fever and then fell into acoma later in the day. That plus his life style > > in general took its toll, and finally destroying one of the great Generals > > of History. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: overwhelming@angelfire.com [mailto:overwhelming@angelfire.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:21 AM > > To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Cause of death > > > > Hey ppl, does anyone happen to know which one was the real cause of > > Alexander's death, was malaria or typhoid fever? > > Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexanders Body. The Great Captain General Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:06:16 +0100 From: walsmfc Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Organization: Netscape Online member To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> 0% Introductory APR! Instant Approval! Aria Visa - get yours today. http://click.egroups.com/1/7102/14/_/22834/_/969123258/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Dear Rick, thanks for the reply. I knew all of what you said and the reason Caesar refused the offer of the sword, in my view backed up by what you yourself wrote was that he felt unworthy of such an honour. But what really intrigues me is where is the sarcophagus now? I don't know if you are aware of the fact that there is a French expedition in the water at Alexandria lokking for the lighthouse and Cleopatras palace and have been for the last two or three years. They have found what they believe to be the palace so the question is - is the body of the Great Man there? The way his luck ran the body will be in good condition and the mysteries surrounding his life could be answered once anf for all. Hope this message finds you well Yours Aye Wullie Richard Hogan wrote: > > Hey how are you doing. > As you probably already know Alexander Died in Babylon, in 323B.C.E at the > age of 32. Well his Generals asked him a question on his death bed. > Scholars and Historians do agree that the question asked was "Alexander, to > whom do you leave your empire?" Who asked the question is not certain, but > the answer was very simple and disturbing as well, > "TO THE STRONGEST." Alexander was heard to have whispered before he died. > (AGAIN DO THE RESEARCH, YOU WILL FIND IT) > Well after preparing and dressing the body for travel, the army and generals > voted and it was unanimous that Alexander was to be put to rest at the city > he found, Alexandria. The funeral procession was purposely slow so that way > people could follow or view the Great Captain General, ruler of the known > world. > Finally reaching Alexandria, Alexanders body was put into an air tight Glass > coffin(how this coffin was made no one knows)and it was laid inside the > great lighthouse, so those who wanted to pray and view a God, could simply > walk in and see Alexander. > > Jumping ahead some 3 centuries, Queen Cleopatra, and Gaius Julius Ceasar > were viewing the body of Alexander. > Now according to Egyptian papyrus scrolls, Cleopatra did offer the sword of > Alexander to Ceasar, what did Ceasar say? No one knows, but again you will > have people say they do know and make up an answer they believe. My honest > answer, we do not know but only can guess that Ceasar declined the offer; > because how would you break into a air tight glass coffin without damaging > the body? > And Ceasar had to much respect and love to disturb the greatest King of > Antiquity. > REMEMBER NOW, while Ceasar was in Spain at age 32, he came across a Statue > of the Great King and began to cry because he felt that he as a man had done > nothing with his life, while Alexander when he dies at 32 was Conquerer of > the known world. So what does that tell you about Alexander, if Ceasar > cried. > > PLease i would not be offended at all if you desire to check up on what i > told you. by all means please research whatever you doubt on what i have > told you. > > By the way my friends call me Rick. > > until next time, have a good day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: walsmfc [mailto:walsmfc@netscapeonline.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:09 PM > To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] The Death of Alexander > > Dear Richard > > I agree with you. Could you tell me what happened to the body. Did > Cleopatra > have it when she was alive and did she offer his sword to Ceasar? > > Yours Aye > > Wullie > > Richard Hogan wrote: > > > > > It was a combination of things that got Alexander the Third at the end of > > his life, on June 10 323B.C.E. > > That is the truth! But of course you always have somebody who will say > that > > his or her answer is the right one, but be honest with yourself and just > > know that Alexander the Great did so much in his short life, that wounds > > from battle, drinking heavily with his friends and lover, always pushing > > himself to the edge, an unlimited urge to conquer the world, and even his > > violent temper, contributed to his untimely death at the age of 32. DO THE > > RESEARCH, and you will find that even after his death, priests prayed to > the > > gods and asked if it was ok for mortals to handle the body of a god. Well > > once they were "given permission" they went to the body and found that it > > did not even start to decay. It was as if, Alexander was asleep in > terminal > > coma. He looked asleep instead of looking dead! > > Which concludes a very strong possibility of Arsenic poison. Very > possible, > > not confirmed. But on the other hand, no one is absolutely saying that he > > was or was not poisoned. > > > > For me personally I tend to take everything in and use the information > that > > have, to draw my own theory of what killed Alexander the Great. As for > > Malaria or Typhoid fever killing him it is very possible, and I strongly > > agree with the evidence given that from his drinking habit, he contracted > a > > fever and then fell into acoma later in the day. That plus his life style > > in general took its toll, and finally destroying one of the great Generals > > of History. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: overwhelming@angelfire.com [mailto:overwhelming@angelfire.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:21 AM > > To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > > Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Cause of death > > > > Hey ppl, does anyone happen to know which one was the real cause of > > Alexander's death, was malaria or typhoid fever? > > Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Alexanders Body. The Great Captain General Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:42:17 -0700 From: Richard Hogan Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: "'alexander-macedon@egroups.com'" -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> Need a credit card? Instant Approval and 0% intro APR with Aria! http://click.egroups.com/1/7101/14/_/22834/_/969036491/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Hey how are you doing. As you probably already know Alexander Died in Babylon, in 323B.C.E at the age of 32. Well his Generals asked him a question on his death bed. Scholars and Historians do agree that the question asked was "Alexander, to whom do you leave your empire?" Who asked the question is not certain, but the answer was very simple and disturbing as well, "TO THE STRONGEST." Alexander was heard to have whispered before he died. (AGAIN DO THE RESEARCH, YOU WILL FIND IT) Well after preparing and dressing the body for travel, the army and generals voted and it was unanimous that Alexander was to be put to rest at the city he found, Alexandria. The funeral procession was purposely slow so that way people could follow or view the Great Captain General, ruler of the known world. Finally reaching Alexandria, Alexanders body was put into an air tight Glass coffin(how this coffin was made no one knows)and it was laid inside the great lighthouse, so those who wanted to pray and view a God, could simply walk in and see Alexander. Jumping ahead some 3 centuries, Queen Cleopatra, and Gaius Julius Ceasar were viewing the body of Alexander. Now according to Egyptian papyrus scrolls, Cleopatra did offer the sword of Alexander to Ceasar, what did Ceasar say? No one knows, but again you will have people say they do know and make up an answer they believe. My honest answer, we do not know but only can guess that Ceasar declined the offer; because how would you break into a air tight glass coffin without damaging the body? And Ceasar had to much respect and love to disturb the greatest King of Antiquity. REMEMBER NOW, while Ceasar was in Spain at age 32, he came across a Statue of the Great King and began to cry because he felt that he as a man had done nothing with his life, while Alexander when he dies at 32 was Conquerer of the known world. So what does that tell you about Alexander, if Ceasar cried. PLease i would not be offended at all if you desire to check up on what i told you. by all means please research whatever you doubt on what i have told you. By the way my friends call me Rick. until next time, have a good day. -----Original Message----- From: walsmfc [mailto:walsmfc@netscapeonline.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:09 PM To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] The Death of Alexander Dear Richard I agree with you. Could you tell me what happened to the body. Did Cleopatra have it when she was alive and did she offer his sword to Ceasar? Yours Aye Wullie Richard Hogan wrote: > > It was a combination of things that got Alexander the Third at the end of > his life, on June 10 323B.C.E. > That is the truth! But of course you always have somebody who will say that > his or her answer is the right one, but be honest with yourself and just > know that Alexander the Great did so much in his short life, that wounds > from battle, drinking heavily with his friends and lover, always pushing > himself to the edge, an unlimited urge to conquer the world, and even his > violent temper, contributed to his untimely death at the age of 32. DO THE > RESEARCH, and you will find that even after his death, priests prayed to the > gods and asked if it was ok for mortals to handle the body of a god. Well > once they were "given permission" they went to the body and found that it > did not even start to decay. It was as if, Alexander was asleep in terminal > coma. He looked asleep instead of looking dead! > Which concludes a very strong possibility of Arsenic poison. Very possible, > not confirmed. But on the other hand, no one is absolutely saying that he > was or was not poisoned. > > For me personally I tend to take everything in and use the information that > have, to draw my own theory of what killed Alexander the Great. As for > Malaria or Typhoid fever killing him it is very possible, and I strongly > agree with the evidence given that from his drinking habit, he contracted a > fever and then fell into acoma later in the day. That plus his life style > in general took its toll, and finally destroying one of the great Generals > of History. > > -----Original Message----- > From: overwhelming@angelfire.com [mailto:overwhelming@angelfire.com] > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:21 AM > To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Cause of death > > Hey ppl, does anyone happen to know which one was the real cause of > Alexander's death, was malaria or typhoid fever? > Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Alexander of Macedon] The Death of Alexander Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:08:56 +0100 From: walsmfc Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Organization: Netscape Online member To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> 0% Introductory APR! Instant Approval! Aria Visa - get yours today. http://click.egroups.com/1/7102/14/_/22834/_/968879898/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Dear Richard I agree with you. Could you tell me what happened to the body. Did Cleopatra have it when she was alive and did she offer his sword to Ceasar? Yours Aye Wullie Richard Hogan wrote: > > It was a combination of things that got Alexander the Third at the end of > his life, on June 10 323B.C.E. > That is the truth! But of course you always have somebody who will say that > his or her answer is the right one, but be honest with yourself and just > know that Alexander the Great did so much in his short life, that wounds > from battle, drinking heavily with his friends and lover, always pushing > himself to the edge, an unlimited urge to conquer the world, and even his > violent temper, contributed to his untimely death at the age of 32. DO THE > RESEARCH, and you will find that even after his death, priests prayed to the > gods and asked if it was ok for mortals to handle the body of a god. Well > once they were "given permission" they went to the body and found that it > did not even start to decay. It was as if, Alexander was asleep in terminal > coma. He looked asleep instead of looking dead! > Which concludes a very strong possibility of Arsenic poison. Very possible, > not confirmed. But on the other hand, no one is absolutely saying that he > was or was not poisoned. > > For me personally I tend to take everything in and use the information that > have, to draw my own theory of what killed Alexander the Great. As for > Malaria or Typhoid fever killing him it is very possible, and I strongly > agree with the evidence given that from his drinking habit, he contracted a > fever and then fell into acoma later in the day. That plus his life style > in general took its toll, and finally destroying one of the great Generals > of History. > > -----Original Message----- > From: overwhelming@angelfire.com [mailto:overwhelming@angelfire.com] > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:21 AM > To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com > Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Cause of death > > Hey ppl, does anyone happen to know which one was the real cause of > Alexander's death, was malaria or typhoid fever? > Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] The Death of Alexander Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:32:59 -0700 From: Richard Hogan Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: "'alexander-macedon@egroups.com'" -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> Need a credit card? Instant Approval and 0% intro APR with Aria! http://click.egroups.com/1/7101/14/_/22834/_/968805198/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> It was a combination of things that got Alexander the Third at the end of his life, on June 10 323B.C.E. That is the truth! But of course you always have somebody who will say that his or her answer is the right one, but be honest with yourself and just know that Alexander the Great did so much in his short life, that wounds from battle, drinking heavily with his friends and lover, always pushing himself to the edge, an unlimited urge to conquer the world, and even his violent temper, contributed to his untimely death at the age of 32. DO THE RESEARCH, and you will find that even after his death, priests prayed to the gods and asked if it was ok for mortals to handle the body of a god. Well once they were "given permission" they went to the body and found that it did not even start to decay. It was as if, Alexander was asleep in terminal coma. He looked asleep instead of looking dead! Which concludes a very strong possibility of Arsenic poison. Very possible, not confirmed. But on the other hand, no one is absolutely saying that he was or was not poisoned. For me personally I tend to take everything in and use the information that have, to draw my own theory of what killed Alexander the Great. As for Malaria or Typhoid fever killing him it is very possible, and I strongly agree with the evidence given that from his drinking habit, he contracted a fever and then fell into acoma later in the day. That plus his life style in general took its toll, and finally destroying one of the great Generals of History. -----Original Message----- From: overwhelming@angelfire.com [mailto:overwhelming@angelfire.com] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:21 AM To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Cause of death Hey ppl, does anyone happen to know which one was the real cause of Alexander's death, was malaria or typhoid fever? Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Alexander of Macedon] Cause of death Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:20:37 -0000 From: overwhelming@angelfire.com Reply-To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com To: alexander-macedon@egroups.com -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates of 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR* and no annual fee! Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/9146/14/_/22834/_/968696447/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Hey ppl, does anyone happen to know which one was the real cause of Alexander's death, was malaria or typhoid fever? Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: requesting permission for using some of your reference materials on Alexander the Great Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:25:58 -0700 From: "Bowers, Beth (US - Cincinnati)" To: jpopovic@1stmuse.com Mr. Popovic - I am writing to request your permission to reference some of your published materials in my nephew's personal website. Specifically, his middle name is Alexander --noteably named after Alexander the Great. Instead of going to an encyclopedia and referencing the research from that source, I went on-line and found your very thorough documentation on Alexander. Basically, what I would like to do is rewrite and paraphrase some of your notes from your introduction on who Alexander the Great was and his origin. I will of course give credit to you and reference your website. Beyond that, I am not sure what I am required to do. I am new at the "web development" process and wanted to make sure that I did not violate any copyright laws as well as appropriately cite your works. Please email me back with your thoughts, concerns and questions. Sincerely, Beth S. Bowers --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Thanks Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:15:10 +1200 From: "Nathan Wichmann" To: Just wanted to say Thank You for setting up such an informative site. It has been a great help to me with my Classics assignment. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.166 / Virus Database: 79 - Release Date: 20/06/00 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Japanese publisher Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:47:51 +0530 From: "Dr. Ranajit Pal" To: "John J. Popovic" 2nd June 2000 Dear Dr. Popovic Did you contact Mr. Sato? I am afraid the tone of my last letter was rather obtrusive. If it bothered you I am sorry. Please tell me more about yourself. Are you in anyway associated with the sangha? With regards Dr. Ranajit Pal